westminster and i have been there in westminster and i have lived through the death of a good friend, david amess been subject to many death threats myself and i had a stalker for nine years which ended up as a court case. but i'm afraid it is part of modern life as afraid it is part of modern life as a politician that this is what happens. d0 a politician that this is what ha ens. ,, a politician that this is what happens-— a politician that this is what hauens. ., _ , a politician that this is what hauens. ., ,y y., happens. do you have sympathy or not? of course _ happens. do you have sympathy or not? of course i _ happens. do you have sympathy or not? of course i have _ happens. do you have sympathy or not? of course i have sympathy, i happens. do you have sympathy or. not? of course i have sympathy, but i would not? of course i have sympathy, but i would also — not? of course i have sympathy, but i would also question _ not? of course i have sympathy, but i would also question some - not? of course i have sympathy, but i would also question some of - not? of course i have sympathy, but i wou

the man who killed david amess mp, for instance.ttempt to interfere with the democratic process in the country to make mps frightened if they vote a particular way, they will be put to death. and that's the difference between what that and say some some other examples of violence which are equally horrible, equally terrible for the people involved, traumatic for the country, but aren't extremism. so i think one of the key reasons this went so badly off track was southport. and i think they i mean, you see the prime minister trying to claim that southport was somehow kind of terrorism, extremism. i don't agree with that. i think this is agree with that. i think this is a guy who didn't have any particular ideology. he didn't have any evidence. he did. anyway, we may find more as the months and years go on, but at the moment we see no, not much evidence. he wasn't convicted on terrorism charges. he was convicted on ordinary criminal charges. and what we need actually is, is a is a mechanism to, you know, deal with people like that wit

you may remember when david amess, sir david amess, was murdered by an islamist terrorist. parliamentarians tried to make the issue about onune tried to make the issue about online abuse. let's just be nice to one another. well, the same thing is happening now. the government has fast tracked tighter restrictions on online knife sales for under 18 seconds, as if amazon was to blame for southport. writing in the sun today, the prime minister called axel rudakubana a two click killer. but the fact of the matter is that the system the state failed the victims of southport, much like the state, failed the victims of pakistani rape gangs. it's time for the obfuscation, the concealment, the cover ups and the deflections to come to an end. it's time for the people in power to tell us, the people the truth. now i'm joined tonight to discuss keir starmers response by my panel columnist and former mep patrick o'flynn and former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire scarlett. if i could come to you first. i mean, the labour party is hideously out of touch with the country on this, isn't it

when david amess was murdered, no tory mp, we knew within two days that the man who'd been arrested had looked at by the anti—terrorism organisation. >> and we're going to be speaking to sir david amess daughter katie, later on in the programme about that exact matter. it is it is perplexing because on the one hand, it is certainly true that axel rudakubana doesn't seem to be a classic islamist. you know, he started going down all sorts of violent routes, but nevertheless, absolutely, he seems to be motivated by al—qaeda. but it seems to me they're just fearful of mentioning the word islamist. that was basically the problem that they had. >> absolutely. well, let's bring in our home security editor, mark white about all this. mark, just on knives at the beginning. do you do you not share my scepticism? blimey, here we go. we've heard all this before. >> this is a distraction. i'm sorry. good. and people are just swallowing these talking points thrown out by the government yesterday. yeah, the fact is, these were kitchen knives. this young man could have gone into the kitchen of his home

you may remember when david amess, sir david amess, was murdered by an islamist terrorist.liamentarians tried to make the issue about onune tried to make the issue about online abuse. let's just be nice to one another. well, the same thing is happening now. the government has fast tracked tighter restrictions on online knife sales for under 18 seconds, as if amazon was to blame for southport. writing in the sun today, the prime minister called axel rudakubana a two click killer. but the fact of the matter is that the system the state failed the victims of southport, much like the state, failed the victims of pakistani rape gangs. it's time for the obfuscation, the concealment, the cover ups and the deflections to come to an end. it's time for the people in power to tell us, the people the truth. now i'm joined tonight to discuss keir starmers response by my panel columnist and former mep patrick o'flynn and former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire scarlett. if i could come to you first. i mean, the labour party is hideously out of touch with the country on this, isn't it? >>

after the murder of sir david amess by a jihadi lunatic, somehow it all became about passing a new lawo clamp down on social media use. what about clamping down on jihadis instead? what you're going to see now in the southport case is a concerted attempt to do everything apart from tackle the real issue. gb news presenter matt goodwin said southport is not about buying knives on amazon or what big tech lets us watch online. it's about hapless western leaders importing masses of people from high conflict societies who are more prone to violence, don't share our values and don't care about our people, and don't care about our people, and look at what's happened again in germany today. an afghan asylum seeker stabs a toddler and a man to death in a park. our establishment politicians will

this i mean, for this, we can also read westminster bridge, london bridge, david amess, manchester arenase were yeah, but they had they went to mosques, they had they went to mosques, they were islamists. they were ideologues who followed that particular extreme form of islam. there is the problem is here, and i'm not saying that evidence isn't out there, but that ain't here. and what they're focusing on is what they're focusing on is what they're saying is a new type of threat, which is of just mental young, usually blokes just spending way too much time, i would argue. >> online misfits. >> online misfits. >> i would say, i would say that that lockdown might have exacerbated this situation more than religion. that's my personal take. >> i don't know. online misfits. >> i don't know. online misfits. >> i don't know. online misfits. >> i think, is a lot of the people who are online, frankly. >> so i don't know whether you're going to catch up with those. yeah. but, you know, there's good and bad online misfits, isn't there? and i do think, you know, there is an extent there was an al—qae