david fahrenthold is here. also joining us, president of media matters for america, angelo carusone is here. joins us as well. david, you have some incredible reporting on the lies being told by elon musk's efforts to justify sort of the brutality of the cuts, lies or mistakes. take us through that reporting. >> well, we're looking. >> at is what dodge calls the wall of receipts they posted this last week. it was supposed to be a list of contracts they canceled from within the federal government, and they were going to show you how much they had saved for each of them. what we found was that the five biggest savings, the five biggest cuts on their initial list, were all wrong. they were full of mistakes, and the mistakes made the actual savings much, much higher than they actually were. now, i'm not saying this because i want to say that that dodge isn't cutting things or there aren't cuts going on. this, just to me, is a really powerful example of dodge not really understanding what it's doing and being sloppy with its data, even in the data it shows to the public. >> and what is the what i

hour with the president of media matters for america, angelo carusone, also joining us, former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst davidbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. angelo, i start with you. >> i think i would just remind everyone. >> is that this is all terrible. >> we all accept that. but just to keep in mind some perspective, if this is a marathon, we're barely. >> at the first mile mark. >> and i'm not saying that to be dramatic. it's just that they they said what they were. going to do in advance and they will document it. i mean, ross vote isn't even. >> in omb yet, officially. >> and before he got there, he was very clear that they have 350 documents already prepared to roll out that include all. >> of these sorts of plans. >> and then when you overlay what's. >> happening right. >> now, this is sort of like starting the. >> process. >> greasing the. >> wheels of the machinery that this larger. >> plan is. >> designed to. >> then implement. you got. >> to get things going. you got to get things started. and so what. musk is doing. >> is through a. combination of practice and experience. >>