hi, everybody i'm david asman, welcome to "forbes on fox." happy easter, everybody. iranians appear to be pleased with the outline of a possible nuke deal. their chief negotiator touting it would lift all sanctions on his country, but some here say we've seen this show before and it won't have a happy ending for america or the world. are they right? let's go in focus with steve forbes, rich carl guard elizabeth mcdonald, sabrina schaeffer, john tamny and bruce jackson. steve, when the other side is happy in a negotiation does that usually mean you've lost? >> absolutely. as churchill said about

david asman just threw a peep at -- all right. good to see you. to the whole fox one team. >> we're going to do it. good luck to your bracket. >> thank you. i've got wisconsin. good to see you, pete. thank you. with plummeting oil prices -- you want your peep? and international isolation. he'll eat it. one strategist saying buy russia now. how? he's going to tell you how to play. stay tuned. we're live. we're fox business. fox means business. five-second rule. ♪ ♪ david: straight up at 4 o'clock eastern time. i'm david asman here with liz claman. the markets are closed. we're always open for you. lots of market moving news today that is sure to impact your money on monday and over the weekend. what can we expect here with some answers? john ma maxen. david steinberg. where investors can find the long-term value. mike chadwick says there's one big thing investors are ignoring that could be a sign of trouble. mike, first of

hi, everybody i'm david asman, welcome to "forbes on fox." happy easter, everybody. iranians appear to be pleased with the outline of a possible nuke deal. their chief negotiator touting it would lift all sanctions on his country, but some here say we've seen this show before and it won't have a happy ending for america or the world. are they right? let's go in focus with steve forbes, rich carl guard elizabeth mcdonald, sabrina schaeffer, john tamny and bruce jackson. steve, when the other side is happy in a negotiation does that usually mean you've lost? >> absolutely. as churchill said about knew nick this is an unmitigated disaster, will set the stage for a nuclear holocaust in the middle east egypt, saudi arabia and turkey have indicated they're going to go with their own nuclear programs. it's very simple either you have a nuclear program or you don't. the iranians have trk they're going to continue with it. one detail we know, not one nuclear facility has to be closed down and they can enrich uranium until their heart is content. this is bad all around. >> bru

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melissa: it is true on act sercs david asman. look what they're doing, of saudi arabia can't donate money any other way if they want access to clintons. if at same time they wanted to provide clean water and mosquito netting to the africa, mon -- funneling money to the clintons is least official way. >> what happens if there is war between saudi arabia and iran? what happens if the middle east goes nuclear? what happens with your past connections with these foreign governments if something like that happens and the u.s. has to steer somehow a neutral role in all of this? >> or you ask yourself, what do the saudis think they're buying when they do that? fight over the death tax, bit my tongue on that one because it is so upsetting. the house voting to repeal 99-year-old estate tax, the right to transfer your property on your death. steve moore not mincing any words. you said the death tax redives to die in your column on foxnews.com. how come? >> money has been taxed. it was lifetime over mostly family-owned businesses. not fair t

david asman is off today but i'm joined by bernie williams of usaa investment solutions to tell us where in the world the hottest places to invest right now. bernie says know. john burke of burke financial strategies telling us which region is benefiting from falling oil prices. even though oil is up. could be just a blip. how and where do you get in. dan stesich from the chicago mercantile exchange. we begin with you. everybody thought friday would be ugly market day because the march labor report was just that, it was ugly. today after weekend of digesting that with a little matzo and easter ham, traders came in and said let's juice the market. why do you think that was? >> i absolutely surprised. i looked at futures, they did what i expected. this morning i woke up and they did what i was expecting. this morning's rally came through the markets. people believe the fed will push off the rate hike and that is quite possible, but, i don't think that will be a good thing. if our economy can't be sustaining without the fed adding economic stimulus or keeping rates lower, economically that

hi everybody, i'm david asman. welcome to "forbes on fox." are we doing enough? i'm not for a police state. the congressional research service says since 2011 since 9/11 there have been 74 plots by radicalized americans, people radicalized here. and they were stopped, thank god, before anybody was hurt. the boston marathon bomber. those guys were radicalized americans. so the thing is they're not really pouring across the border. they're tourists visas, they're overstaying, committing terrorist acts. i think we need better policing there. >> mike taji not only are we seeing these threats but the american people thinks we should be doing more. 81% of the american people says isis does pose a real security threat to the u.s. what say you? >> i think we could be doing a better job of sharing information among law enforcement agencies but i think we also have to be very careful about civil liberties. i mean this reminds me of kind of the communist red scare in the 30s and 40s, where we thought everyone was going to become a communist and take over the country. so yes

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i'm david asman. welcome to "forbes on fox." our panel joining me today. is it a good thing if the iranians kill the deal? >> absolutely. at the very least it would mean they have time to get regime change. it buys time for that. also removes the real itch us the, the real pressure for military action by the arabs and israelis against iran. those neighbors are not going to let iran get the bomb, so if you let sanctions have a chance to work and bring regime change that would be for the good. but if you have a deal you're going to see a war. >> bruce, we have already seenl sides. we've had the sawudis bring together a coalition of turkey, egypt, the united arab emirates and others. they say if a deal is signed in june they may take action on their own. >> i'm not sure that would necessarily happen. i guess i would say -- and i know you guys love government agencies and so -- >> easy. go ahead. >> no the energy information administration, i have not even heard of this, they said prices could go down up to $15 a barrel if the nuclear deal happens. so clearly

story earnings season is off and running, we're getting signs that the economy is stalling, i am david asman neil cavuto glad you could join us. kooteninchela deppi gearing up -- wall street is gearing up for what is considered to be worse season in years. and trimming earning outlook. the first year of negative

to david asman and charlie gasparino on whether they agree with that. charlie you bemoan the same wing with dodd-frank. >> there is a bit of hypocrisy on former chairman volcker's part he was part of the apparatus that created a massive regulatory structure kept the banks huge went that structure. neil: and left out fannie and freddie. >> i think he is write in what he says are there will be another crisis, it will be worse when it does happen with more risk in too few banks, but he is reason why we have this. >> i 1 wouldn't go that far. neil: let him answer. >> would you let me finish. let me finish. >> i am not wrong. >> you are wrong. >> i know what was happening in there. he was put in there add window dressing -- let me finish. he is my hero he did sleigh -- sla y inflation, he stood up to banks and wall street, and he was the put on this committee without really -- i think he is right, that banks are more concentrate, they were dodd-frank was supposed to make it less concentrate give community banks more power but they are less power. cause frank

and thanks to cheryl casone and david asman and tom sullivan for filling in while i was out. to figure out, 2.5 billion dollars. that is how much the clinton cash machine stands to bring in by election day. but not without paying potentially a very heavy price. not with the banking and financial types who apparently have the dough but the liberal types who have little patience for candidates who take that dough. thank god hillary has a bank problem and party's base told them it's them or us

story earnings season is off and running, we're getting signs that the economy is stalling, i am david asman in for neil cavuto glad you could join us. kooteninchela deppi gearing up -- wall street is gearing up for what is considered to be worse season in years. and trimming earning outlook. the first year of negative growth since 2000 2009. companies face an earnings recession, an economic recession followed, mike and susan are watching this economy. mike, are we in danger? >> i think we are. looking at the last jobs report it was terrible with a record low number of people participating in the labor market, that that is a bad sign. and the first 2 quarters of this year, i am looking for earnings of the s&p -- this does not bode well. >> mike might be right. we came back after this bad first quarter uk the same might happen here? >> it could, i am not really negative saying we'll go to a full-fledged recession. >> that defined in two quarters of negative returns. >> but we do see an adjustment in the market of 10 to 20% that is not necessarily a bad thing but what i see is more troublesome

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melissa: here to discuss it, charlie gasparino, jack hough senior editor of "barron's," david asman host of "after the bell." always the media's fault have you noticed that? >> i take the president's point but if we want to talk about lopsided coverage we've got all this coverage now about police brutality, fine, that is a conversation we should have, but for every minute we spend talking about that we ought to spend an hour talking about why crime rates in america are so shockingly high for a developed country. while we have these pockets of criminality, why these conditions exist. talk about how the job is for police officers to do day after day. melissa: talk about what the may said. can we play that for everyone in case they haven't seen it? >> it's a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other, things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. >> what? melissa: gave those who wish to destroy space to do that. comment got a lot of attention. she tried to walk it back say

david asman and i for after the bell coming right up. . ♪ liz: we are looking what is to be an all-time record for the russell 2000. david: unbelievable. just unbelievable. looks like we'll not make triple digits we had for a lot of the day. let's go to nicole petallides at new york stock exchange. oil, it was highest close for the year of oil. it closed on the exchange at 56.39. >> we got smaller than expected build on numbers out at 10:30. the highest close as you noted of 2015. at 56-point the $3 a barrel. liz: three major consumer names hitting all-time highs, people that owned them hitting all-time highs. >> names such as hasbro, smucker's, lorillard. we saw them hit all-time highs. lorillard has pulled back some. david: netflix. down for the day. we're expecting earnings coming any moment. just look what happened today. >> got to expect some volatility. they have to come out after the close. we have to see the subscriber growth numbers. [closing bell ringing] this stock is notorious for being very volatile the next few trading days.

faulkner, david asman and the judge figure out what's riskier than what.e you to play along at home. what's riskier smoking a pack of cigarettes a day or drinking seven glasses of alcohol a day. a or b? a is smoking. b is drinking. >> i would think a. stossel: you're correct. smoking takes seven years. drinking three years. >> although, you can improve more readily from smoking than you can from drinking. your liver is damaged severely. >> what's riskier. we're keeping score. walking through an airport scanner or eating a handful of brazil nuts? the radiation question. >> oh really. i'll say brazil nuts. >> i'll say walking through a scanner. >> you and i think alike. >> you got it right. more radiation in brazil nuts than airport scanner. >> they'd rather clean it that way. >> the way they grow, they suck radiation out of the ground. the roots of the tree. >> different ways of getting to the same answer. >> what's riskier being obese or living in the year 1910. one hundred years ago. >> i would say living 100 years ago. >> you're all correct. people lived

david asman wil and i will have them the second they come out.ooking at the trades, what's going on? we've had the stock pull back from an earlier high. >> any time the stock gets a historic high. that report better be good. people are keying on 67 million iphone 6s. it has to be north of 60 to break that all-time high. people are expecting a big buyback. they want to see 150 billion and a dividend raise to 50 cents. liz: we need to get to allen at the cme. we're looking at treasury yields. we're looking at a tentative market in advance of an announcement from the fed. they won't be raising interest rates. but any move they discuss will affect the markets. what are those pits in chicago sort of bringing in, in the emotion of it? >> we're just seeing sideways action. if you look at crude oil. it traded at 3-dollar range. currencies trading sideways. a little bit of a bounce in gold. not much happening. new highs in the stock index. if we have a lower close, that's a key reversal. i'm not worried about that. the upside target in the s&p is 2100. ev

david asman, i will start with you. this is a lot. >> it a lot, what "the new york times" did, by the way judy's old publication, they took the book peter schweizer's book, expanded on it. what we have done, fox news channel's done bret baier's report expanded even further, what "the times" says this, the russians now have 1/5 of all the u.s. uranium sources as a result of deals smoothed out by the clinton foundation, by bill clinton in particular, possibly with the help, possibly with the help of hillary clinton at the state department. what bret baier found out that number may be half. half of the u.s. uranium supply controlled by the russians who may be selling uranium to the iranians who may be using it to build bombs against us. melissa: let me break it down even further. if you look around, the russians cornered the market on uranium right now. this is a disaster for us. we have a net importer of uranium. we only produce 20% of what we need. they have taken control of a company that has 20% of our supply. >> this

to katherine and david asman on who the granny killer really is. >> it's very simple.ranny won't be around for much longer. she has live off fixed income. unless she wants to invest in the stock market. most older people don't. because she can't wait for ben bernanke's work, she needs money now. my parents bonds are about to expire. rather than living off income from the bonds they'll have to dig into the principal and that will be drawn down. >> whoa whoa. you're a fairly wealthy guy. kick in and help them out. >> i'm doing the best i can. >> this entire blog post is one of the most strangely arrogant thing i've ever heard. the attitude of it coming from ben bernanke, what? neil: you know he's been getting this criticism a lot over the years. that he kept things artificial. built a bubble. >> it's like an angry facebook status than an intelligent response to anything. he never justified why he was smart enough -- the fed was smart enough to magically know what the price should be, or interest rates should be. which, of course you can't. yes obviously setting them lowe

and thanks to cheryl casone and david asman and tom sullivan for filling in while i was out. i'm trying to figure out, 2.5 billion dollars. that is how much the clinton cash machine stands to bring in by election day. but not without paying potentially a very heavy price. not with the banking and financial types who apparently have the dough but the liberal types who have little patience for candidates who take that dough. thank god hillary has a bank problem and party's base told them it's them or us taking money from fat cats who will guarantee you lose. to charlie gasparino, and michael car asa. what do you make of this? >> she has to walk a tightrope. the wall street guys i talked to and canvassing today, what do you think about the 2.5 billion number. they think she can do it. neil: that would have to be a big part of that? >> they have no problem being a part of that. they think whatever she does to the left by starting a class warfare attack which she's shown signs she's going to do it and think she's going to do it and go back to her quote, unquote self to appease eli

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i'm david asman here with liz claman. the markets are closed. we're always open for you.ots of market moving news today that is sure to impact your money on monday and over the weekend. what can we expect here with some answers? john ma maxen. david steinberg. where investors can find the long-term value. mike chadwick says there's one big thing investors are ignoring that could be a sign of trouble. mike, first of all, we've seen signs of trouble today at least in labor stats. what's up with that? what do you make with the relationship between the economy and the markets right now? >> a complete disconnect between the relationship of the economy and the markets right now. as you saw today, labor numbers weren't good. markets were at all-time highs. you have to look at the concept of what we're doing. we've been in the qe environment for four or five years. we can't escape velocity. the governments have spent tens of trillions of dollars. that's a disconnect right there. >> one of the things we saw again for yet another month, the government was she got jobs. there was a

liz: we thought the same thing, david asman and i were anchoring at that time. we're watching, we had a split screen of us and the markets, and gas canisters pummeled at the protesters right there in greece, and i started to think, the market is skittish here. let me bring dan haugh into the conversation, when you have one guy doing what some describe as an avalanche of trades and pulling the rug out from under the faux trades, how is that okay? >> it isn't okay and shouldn't be okay. five years, this audit trail, back in 2010 was excellent. they knew exactly who placed the reorder, they knew were the orders executed? not executed? this audit trail they could have found out within hours if not days. i'm sure they knew about it the day it actually happened. i'm confused about the timing of. this even though he did what he said he did, and i don't doubt that happened, the audit trail is that precise. i don't understand the timing of this at all. liz: the wheels of justice move very slowly. gareth, i think aren't we as individual stock owners really small in a giga

can fox tv host harris faulkner david asman and judge jean anne piero figure out what's riskier thanhat? i urge you to play along at home. first smoking a pack of cigarettes a day or drinking seven glasses of alcohol a day. aer or b. >> wow. >> so is this the first one? >> a is smoking, b is drinking. >> i think a. >> you're correct. smoking takes off seven years. >> i got it. >> drinking three years. >> you can improve more readily from smoking when you give up but your liver is damaged more severely. >> i didn't know that. >> uh-uh huh. >> next. what's riskier, we are keeping score. walking through an airport scanner or eating a handful of brazil nuts. the radiation question. >> i will say brazil nuts. >> walking through the scanner. my wife would say scanner. >> we think alike. >> you got it harris. more radiation in brazil nuts than in airport scanners. >> they would rather clean it that way than use a preservative. >> it's the way they grow. they suck radiation out of the ground, the roots of the trees. >> different ways of getting to the same answer. >> next what's riskier, bei

good evening, everybody, i'm david asman in for neil cavuto. glad you could join us.eo saying the crisis is going to rattle markets and tough regulations are going to make it worse. we're hearing half of americans are staying

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good evening, everybody, i'm david asman in for neil cavuto. glad you could join us. the jpmorgan chase ceo saying the crisis is going to rattle markets and tough regulations are going to make it worse. we're hearing half of americans are staying out of the stock market to. economist ben stein on whether they are smart to sit it out. ben great to see you, thanks for coming in. what do you think of jamie dimon's worries? >> it's an awfully long time prior to the great recession that we had a genuine financial crisis. i can't remember a genuine financial crisis in the post war period. there were many genuine financial crises in the hundred years before. that he's the great expert. he's the head of a very, very, very large bank. the one everyone respects. i don't see where the crisis is coming from. if you see what he said to the stockholders, there's likely to be one and likely to be a giant earthquake that levels los angeles, too. so there's -- i don't think there's any cause for worry about it whatsoever. david: you're making me feel a lot better. here is the gist of

david asman coming up in just a second. ♪ ♪ the pursuit of healthier.econd we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier... we're here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. liz: a minute and 30 away from markets taking a vacation because they're crowed tomorrow. but for now we're seeing gains, we're seeing gains. david: once people looked at december tails of iranian deal, oil came up. pretty much where it has been from the time we heard the deal. liz: still in the after market crude oil down about 1%. let's get to nicole because nicole is watching all the vicissitudes of the market throughout this headline driven day. nicole. >> no doubt. 10-year bond is back above the 1.90%. seen back and forth action on the dow. as we're cl

faulkner, david asman and the judge figure out what's riskier than what.lay along at home. what's riskier smoking a pack of cigarettes a day or drinking seven glasses of alcohol a day. a or b? a is smoking. b is drinking. >> i would think a. stossel: you're correct. smoking takes seven years. drinking three years. >> although, you can improve more readily from smoking than you can from drinking. your liver is damaged severely. >> what's riskier. we're keeping score. walking through an airport scanner or eating a handful of brazil nuts? the radiation question. >> oh really. i'll say brazil nuts. >> i'll say walking through a scanner. >> you and i think alike. >> you got it right. more radiation in brazil nuts than airport scanner. >> they'd rather clean it that way. >> the way they grow, they suck radiation out of the ground. the roots of the tree. >> different ways of getting to the same answer. >> what's riskier being obese or living in the year 1910. one hundred years ago. >> i would say living 100 years ago. >> you're all correct. people lived 13 years

it was may 6, 2010, david asman and i were anchoring here on fox business, couldn't believe it was happeningturns out now there's somebody who's arrested for this. the cftc has arrested a u.k. resident and his company. what they're charging him with? price manipulation and something called spoofing meaning putting in fake trades. what are these charges? how does this activity still occur? bill baa -- baruch from ii trader, explain to our viewers what spoofing is. >> well, we're familiar with it after this big event on may 6th five years ago i. all starts with the cftc rule that you can only place orders that you have the initial intent of getting filled. now, these guys had no intent of filling these orders. and not only this, but they were doing it at such a large scale. this was in the mini s&p contract, one of the most liquid contracts you'll find in the futures market. what they did was place large orders above the market and layer them. so they would stack orders above each other and then using a trading platform, you know, off the -- just a regular, normal trading platform and then rug