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party and editor of "the new york times" and chief propaganda of the 1864 campaign, so he would be david axelrodil he wrote a book that came out for the campaign of lincoln's greatest letters and speeches. raymond was also double triple quadrupled as a republican candidate for congress during that same year and won. much to his regret because he hated being in congress. but not to be outdone the chairman of the democratic party in new york in new york purchased the new york world.ed so both national chairs own new york dailies during the 1864 campaign. >> so let's go back to lincoln's earlier life before the civil war toipght come over rej democratic party formed in w illinois by stephen douglas 1838 douglas was 23 years old and this is going to be lincoln's first encount we areng the democratic party. can you tell us about douglas's efforts to start the democratic party why did he do it and how successful was he and what do we know about lincoln's reaction? >> let me begin by thanking harold it is nice to know that he recognize that there were actually two men in the lincoln douglas debates. [l

griffin, and also joining us, for the republican congressman and trump supporter, donald -- 's david axelrod, can you tell us on what we saw? >> look, in one way, my thoughts were summarized by the previous panel. but i will say, anyone who has been paying attention and expected donald trump to be anything, other than what he was tonight, really has not the situation. that is who he is. and, you know, that is a core of his appeal to his base. i said earlier, there is no r on his gearshift. he never concedes any era, you never concedes doing anything wrong. the idea that was gonna show up and says, i thought this through. i really should've done a few things differently. that might have been good political advice for general elections. that's not who he is. and that authentically is who donald trump is. but it does underscore one thing. and i don't use this term likely. there are lots of professions in which sort of being a sociopath, you get punished for. it's not a quality that is an advantage in many settings. but if you are a politician, and you're just willing to blow through facts, and

. >>> perspective from david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama.d this a tragic and painful saga. who, in your view, is to blame for how sad this has become? >> obviously at the end of the day, senator feinstein holds the decision. so, she -- you know, she is responsible for her own predicament. but it's clear that she's not 100%. and in fact, anderson, this isn't a new story that "san francisco chronicle" did a piece more than a year ago raising questions about her capacities. this is an open secret on capitol hill. this has been discussed for a long time. but at this point, there are real questions about her ability to serve. >> how much do you think this is about what's best for senator feinstein, and how much of this is political? and some of what's best for, you know, other members of congress? >> yeah. look, i don't know. i think jessica did a good job of summarizing all of the memes around this in that piece. you have ro khanna, who's chairing barbara lee's campaign. she might be the beneficiary resignation. as was mentioned, the speaker has

. >>> "outfront" now, david axelrod, former senior advise story president obama.ou saw senator menendez's statement. he accused the president of trying to score political points with this move. how big a problem do you anticipate this could be for biden within his own party? >> look, there may be some blowback. the president's been toughening his policies for months now starting in january when he said that there would be immediate return of immigrants from certain countries that were particularly problematic and other steps that he's taken, so this is not new, this is, as the congresswoman said a little different than during the trump administration because the troops that were sent down there were largely props for the president's -- for president trump's notion that the caravans were coming and should be very afraid. apparently these troops will be used to do low christy cal thing, not military actions, not law enforcement actions. that said, they've got a big problem on their hands when title 42 goes off, you know, the crossings of the border are likely to be

. >> joins me tonight, david axelrod former chief adviser to president obama.ggie haberman, senior political correspondent for "the new york times," jason osborn, former trump campaign advertiser, and van jones, cnn political comment tater and former obama administration official as well. thank you for being here. jason, let's start with you and what you make of how republicans on capitol hill today were responding to that 70 minutes last night. >> i'm actually impressed that a number of them responded the way they did. first off, i thought you did a great job. you did the best job anybody could expect of anybody going up to donald trump. >> matador. >> by the way, he said that behind your back. >> while i was over there. >> to your point you made last night, it was a rerun. this was trump being trump as he's always been, and i'm disappointed that we didn't see something new, like just put everything that happened in 2020, the trial -- there's ways to deflect that and put it in the rear-view mirror, but tell us what we're going to do next. i'm prized we had rep

. >> joining the table with me tonight, david axelrod, veteran political consultant and former advisero obama. and -- for the new york times. -- republican strategist and former trump campaign advisor and cnn political commentator and former obama administration official, as well. thank you for being here. let's star t with you and what you make of how republicans on capitol hill today were responding to that 70 minutes last night. >> i'm actually impressed that a number of them responded the way that they did. first off i thought you did a great job. i think that you did the best job anyone could expect out of anybody going out there against donald trump. to your point -- >> he said that behind your back. but to your point last night, it was trump being trump, as he has always been, and i am disappointed that we did not see something new. like just put everything that happened in 2020, the trial, there are ways to deflect it and put it into the rearview mirror but tell us what you are going to do next. i'm very impressed that we have republicans on the hill and we are willing to at le

i'll start with david axelrod. $8.2 million it raised in the first 24 hours after he became an official presidential candidate. that's nearly $2 million more than biden raised in his first 24 hours back in 2019. so, how significant is this? >> well, i think it is significant, wolf. money is important in campaigns. and he's proven the ability to raise it. and that will help sustain him in this race. he'll be able to get his message out. he'll be able to survive the eastbo ebbs and flows and duke it out with donald trump, who also has cig significant resources. the real question with desantis is he's offering himself as a new and improved trump, a trump without the crazy. he'll fire the fbi director, he'll pardon the january 6th folks, he'll bring the doj to heel and so on. the question is if people are looking -- or at least the trump base -- is looking for a new and improved trump. they seem to like the trump they have. so, you know, there are a lot of questions yet, but fundraising may not be one of them. he seems

i thought david axelrod put a fine point on it by saying i think the state of the economy, whether weor don't have a recession in 2024 is a big factor. here is the point, marc. we had no idea when we began in january of 2007 by the time september 2008 the country would hurdle into a mortgage crisis and economy collapse. there are real concerns. we're due for a recession. if it hits at the wrong time it can have bad effects for the incumbent. the big unknown now as you sit back and try to gauge how this campaign may or may not go. >> 75% of americans think the economy will get worse. majority of them blame biden. he is probably the weakest incumbent going into re-election in many, many years. while he has a high disapproval rating, so does donald trump. the "wall street journal," a trump former pollster and now a pollster for a pro-trump super pac looked at the numbers of people who disapprove of both biden and trump and biden wins those people 54-15. 39% margin. so the people -- the swing voters who disapprove of biden disapprove of trump even more. the problem becomes trump is a get

. >> let me get david axelrod into the conversation.ake of senator scott focusing the speech on attacking president biden and democrats to talking about his own personal story? >> well, look, i think that is table stakes for a candidate for the nomination of the republican side in a year when joe biden is the incumbent and it's to be expected, but i just want to echo something that scott said. mario cuomo said famously years ago that you campaign in poetry and prose. tim scott is a poet and story teller and that's a big advantage in the presidential race and he knows how to weave his bio into his story and make it foundational to what he believes and that authenticates his story, and he is have the money to compete, but right now this is being cast by conventional wisdom and by polling as a two-person race by trump and desantis and that was desantis' message to his voters that it's me or trump and i'm the only one who can beat biden and scott will have to disrupt it and the only way is to disrupt the iowa caucuses and that, to me, is th

point, likely kamala harris becoming president is been put out there, the democrats and here's david axelrodrris will have prominent place in this campaign, because of his age i thank you so a real focus on trying to lift her up here because people are asking what who is your backup. steve: a backup, that's reassuring and effective the president exactly help and reassuring it is why we see all of these reports about the desperate efforts to hear kamala harris' reputation but actually it's a much more so and shall and cynical reason why paper watch the. >> mr. president, you plan to serve all eight years. >> one not going to get ahead of the president, that is something for him to decided not going to get ahead of it there's a 2024 from a campaign anything related to that, i would refer you to that. steve: what, biden's own spokesperson it is not just the bided knows that he counts, hit is worse than that, he doesn't want to come he wants to be reelected in this down halfway through and thereby creating the first female president today's democratic party where identity politics or cynicism is

david axelrod, who ran the obama/biden campaign has thoughts about why this vice presidential issue is to matter in 2024. let's listen to him here. >> kamala harris is going to have a prominent place in this campaign because of his age. i think it is a natural question to ask about the vice president. and there must be a recognition in his campaign and in the white house that they need to strengthen her as a player in all of this. >> dana: they've been doing this for quite a while. this is the latest transformation they're trying with the vice president. look at the headlines here. "the new york times" april 25th. with biden's 2024 bid kamala harris will be under more scrutiny. biden looks to elevate harris's work. inside biden strategy to repair harris's image. how much of an issue is the vice president in this upcoming 2024 election? is it possible to turn things around? >> thank you for having me on. yes, i think it is a challenge for the biden/harris team to demonstrate they have the capacity to put a team together that will be there for the next four years. kamala harris has not l

people who want to shake people into having a conversation, david axelrod tweeting out, emmett till'sn open casket so people could see the violence. is that where we are? >> at some point you have to wonder. i feel like we've had this conversation before, when you hear the people on the scene to say you need to understand what a bullet from an ar-15 does to the human body. there are ways to demonstrate that without showing the majors of the dead bodies. as i was watching over the weekend the mass of people being evacuated from the mall, you think about the number of people who are affected. every single time we have one of these mass shootings and whether or not that starts to change minds. it creates activists. we have seen this after mass shootings in the country the way this movement around gun violence has developed and certainly the more mass shootings happen as there are, you're going to have more take charge and say enough we need to do something. >> it's not only the mass shootings, in -- when i speak to activists in chicago they say don't forget about what we call the everyda

so let's go now to longtime republican donor david eberhart, and david axelrod.re with me here in person, but i know you just met with governor desantis in florida, as you've been looking to make a decision here. so, what did you take away from being with him? >> look, i think he's accomplished an awful lot as governor of florida. and i think he seems close to ready to do this. i think the republican party and ultimately the country needs, you know, better leadership, fresh leadership, and a new direction. i think he's the guy to do it. >> so you didn't walk away saying he wouldn't meet my eyes. you felt that -- it was a good meeting? >> i think it was a good meeting. and i think he's very engaged and very affable, and in a good place to do this. >> so, david, do you agree with the desantis -- his group is telling that when desantis jumps in the race, donors and voters are going to ditch trump. and forget all these bad things we've been hearing about desantis lately, they think this will change. do you think that's true? >> not exactly. no, i think trump has a ve

david axelrod, does this change anything?an, the outrage many people have of hearing from the former president, it's interpreted differently based on what side the political aisle you're on. there are plenty of people who heard this tonight and thought he did great, and that's the person they love. and all those people were angry. maybe part of it is the realization that this is what the next two years are going to be like. perhaps the next six years. >> yeah, there's no doubt about it. look, we're a deeply divided country. and donald trump is one of the reasons why we are divided country. and that's part, that central to his politics. as maggie was saying, as i said earlier, i think he went in that room, like, he didn't govern as the president the whole united states, he governed as the president of a space. i think he wanted to that room and spoke to his base. and i think you probably scored with his base. and right now, that's what he cares about. one thing that interests me is on this interest of, this point of him saying

the party, and editor of the new york times ont propaganda of the 1864, campaign so he would be david axelrod and he wrote a book they came out for the campaign of lincoln's greatest letters and speeches and raymond was also double and triple and quadruple there's a republican candidate for congress during that same year printed anyone much to his regret because he hated being in congress for butt to be outdone from the german of the democratic party coming in new york purchased the new york world is a both national shares owned new york daily during the 1864 campaign. >> let's go back to lincoln's earlier like before the work that i want to go over to rush for the democratic party was formed in illinois by stephen douglas around 1836 that was at that time was 23 years old and this is going be lincoln's first encounter with the democratic party can you tell us about douglas' efforts to stop the wedding party me do it and help successful was he in what we know about lincoln's reaction. >> living in myha thinking carol will surprise nice to know that he recognizes that there were actually two m