. >> you may regard david beasley took this position when he was governor. the and state's reaction to it was pretty, it was terrible. in fact a lot of people think he lost his re-election because of it. i think in view of that governor haley is taking a tremendous step here. i know from all of the surveys that's been done that inside her party there's a strong affinity for this flag. >> rose: we continue with ian bremmer of eurasia group talking about greek debt. iranian negotiations and vladimir putin. >> putin senses, and he senses rightly that there's not a lot of unified support for nato across europe these days. there was an election in brilliant, they want to reduce the spending despite the fact that russian has invaded a sovereign nation in europe. so putin understands there is a game to be played here to try to get the europeans away from the united states. i'll say one thing i was in europe last week. one thing i found very interesting is the support from germany for this ukrainian government is eroding. >> rose: we conclude this evening with al hu

you may recall david beasley took this position when he was governor. the state's reaction to it was pretty -- it was terrible. in fact a lot of people think he lost his reelection because of it. i ithink governor haley is taking a tremendous step here. i know from all the surveys that have been done that inside her p arty there is a strong affinity for this flag. the only problem is that this flag that they have so much affinity for never had any real relevance to south carolinians. that flag that is flying on statehouse grounds just happens to be the battle flag of northern virginia. that is not a flag of south carolina. that flag never had any official status. in fact when they tried to get the flag adopted for the whole confederacy, the daughters of the confederacy rejected it. charlie: officially, after the governor takes this action, it will gobe taken down and moved to a museum? rep. clyburn: no s sir. she is calling for it to be done. the legislature has to do it. they are coming back into session tomorrow to deal with the budget. they will be t

>> i think if you look at the history of this debate in south carolina it has been fraught -- david beasley the republican governor of south carolina he took this issue on and failed to win i election as a result. the sons of confederate shred rans were -- veterans were able to defeat him. i talked to some of the folks soesassociated with that grun when i was -- group when i was in south carolina carolina. if you think about these presidential candidates eyeing that primary in 2016 they are thinking about that as well. they are thinking that a lot of those folks are very active they're very vocal. those are the kind of folks that vote in these campaigns. they're also looking at 2008 and 2012. mid romney mitt romney came out against the flag and people made radio ads against him. we saw what happened to mitt romney in that primary. it's a very very tough thing for these republican candidates to come out against this flag. >> but nikki haley's gotten kudos. is it the changing face of south carolina? you have tim scott, an african american senator of south carolina. nikki haley has indian heri

his name was david beasley. he had strong support from the christian right and impeccable credentials as a conservative republican and before becoming governor he served in the south carolina state legislature where the confederate flag flew above the dome. he said when he became governor that he was fine with that. let the flag fly. that was his position. but then racism and a surprise announcement. it was time to take the flag. he talked about why he changed his mind. the flag had been adopted by so many hate groups it could not represent all of the states people. he asked do we want our children to be debating the confederate flag in ten years? he served one term as governor. he helped to elect a democrat to replace him in 1998. that democrat became south carolina's only democratic governor since the mid 1980s. he lasted one term. he was a one term governor. the debate over the confederate flag didn't end with his governorship however. it was still raging in 2000 when south carolina became a major battlegroun

i would like to say that i'm a friend of former governor david beasley and i was proud of him for hisduce the bill the first session that i served -- that i was allowed to serve in the house of representatives. i don't have a good answer for that. but i do have an apology for that. >> do you think you have the support alongside you to make it happen when you do introduce this legislation, sir? >> i would like to think so. i don't know that. i understand that this is a divisive issue, a politically divisive issue. but what i do know is i'm going to make people take a stand. you're either for the flag or you're against it. i believe the vast majority of south carolinawants the flag moved off the ground. >> was it politics sir? you say did not do my job but i knew in my gut it should come down. was it politics? did you feel you would lose too much support? is. >> not at all. you know, it's something personally i believed but i guess it had to be rubbed in my face. it was and now is the time that i'm going to act. >> what the you want us to remember about your friend who perished in this

david beasley had been governor and asked to bring it down and ultimately lost his election in large measure because of the debate around the flag. three years followed, a compromise was finally reached in the state of south carolina where the flag came down off the statehouse dome and placed on a memorial on the statehouse grounds and concurrently on african-american monument was built commemorating the death of folks that had died in passage in the slave trade and in slavery itself. so for a while, people were exhausted. i came in shortly after that, and the last thing that people wanted to deal with was yet another debate on the flag. what they wanted to deal with were economic issues that would impact both african and white citizens alike in our state, a long list of other things that they thought important, whether that was sentencing reform which we were involved in, whether it was bringing in african-americans, as we did. i was the first governor in the state of south carolina to have an african-american chief of staff, first governor to appoint an african-american to head the

years before this rally in 1998 south carolina voted out an incumbent republican gov more named david beasley after governor beasley said he wanted to remove the confederate flag from the state capitol grounds. after he said that he lost his seat. they threw him out of office over that. in 1994 the state legislature tried to get over the confederate flag over the capitol. it failed in. in 1995 they tried again, it failed. in 1998, they tried again. it had been bad politics. it has been bad politics for white conservative politicians to be against the confederate flag in that state. it has been good politics for conservative politicians to be for the confederate flag. and that dynamic has been boulsterd by the fact that south carolina has this peculiar national political position as one of the early voting presidential states. south carolina first in the south. right? it's iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. after that republican governor got turfed out in south carolina in 1998 as the naacp was coordinating a big economic boycott of south carolina over them fly that confederate flag, as stat

now i am joined to talk about this by two former governors of south carolina republican david beasley and democratic jim hodges. both governors had their own flag battles while in office. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here. so you both fought in confederate flag battle and failed on some level. what happened when you tried? >> well, both of us really went after the issue that had to be resolved and it takes time. these types of issues don't happen overnight. and when governor hodges came into office they were able to work together a compromise. at the time it was the most important thing to remove the confederate flag from the dome. >> reporter: yes, but when you were trying to take it down, do you think, in part you lost your seat because of this fight? >> well, i think some people say that but i'm probably the last person to give advice on that. some would say i'm the last living casualty of the civil war. >> reporter: i know there's that thinking because it was such a political third rail to talk about the confederate flag in south carolina. and for you as well. you trie

his name was david beasley. support from the christian right and impeccable credentials as a conservative republican. and before becoming governor he served in the south carolina state legislature where the confederate flag flew above the can't tom dome. beasley said back then when he became governor that he was fine with that, let the fag fly. that was his position. but then racism and a surprise announcement from governor beasley. it was time, he said, to take down the flag. he talked about why he changed his mind. he said the flag had been adopted by so many hate groups that it could no longer represent all of the state's people. he asked south carolinans, quote, do we want our children to be debating the confederate flag in ten years? he served one term as governor. pro confederate flag groups mobilized against him when he ran for re-election. he helped to elect a democrat to replace beasley in 1998. the democrat became south carolina's only democratic governor since the mid 1980s. he lasted one term. he was

one of my good friends, former governor david beasley of south carolina, republican when he was governor flag from the top of the capitol. it is now at the, on the grounds. it should go from the grounds and put someplace. >> you notice, governor, the string of sound bites we didn't have any of hillary clinton running for president. >> that's right. >> she to the best of our knowledge at this very moment has not been asked publicly about this controversy. should she be asked? >> absolutely. they haven't finished the poll yet. you shouldn't need a poll. you should know right from wrong. in the 21st century that flag should not be on the capital grounds on the state of the south carolina. by the way, i think people of south carolina will do the right thing. there are only two states in america elected african-american senators and congress. south carolina is one of them. the ame church, the emanuel church has shown us the faith of christianity how to forgive to bring people together. they will do the right thing. they will remove the flag. >> andrea, i'm glad you brought that up, yesterday'

the honorable david beasley to the chamber. [applause] i hope you will forgive me, i don't know where senator dodd and 10 went -- darlington went. anyway the former governor and i got elected to the house together. we were both 21 years old. he has a lot more hair than i do now, but in any event, i was younger by a few months then he was. he told everybody he was younger, but that's all right. [laughter] i wanted to say this. what i meant, and i did a poor job of weaving it into my comments, i thought about how senator pinckney had woven his comments that story of thomas. think about the development of the early church. and think about our evolution. not only as believers, but also as public servants. those of us that have had the privilege of serving, over there, over here. whether our eyes have been opened, whether we had the ability to really grasp this issue from the perspective of our minority brothers. we will talk about it when we get to the bill, i'm sure. that is why we believe, why we say what we do today, about this

i think david beasley had been the governor there about 20 years ago and he lost his seat because of the issue. can you talk about the significance of this flag debate to politics in south carolina. it's a fraught issue. >> i am certainly aware of how politically divicive the issue is. i will tell you new gary cleary has made his desires public. i spoke with him on friday in my home and i told him not to cosponsor the bill. i told him look i'm willing to risk my career but not anybody else's. over the past 15 years, it has become a less deadly issue from a political standpoint. wednesday night, that point was driven home. i hope we can have a conversation and the supporters will not lose their primaries. i am more concerned with doing my job than keeping my job. if they lose in a primary, i'm fine with that. >> i want to ask you, the doors are opening again at emmanuel ame church. you knew and the served with the reverent and the senator. your thoughts on his legacy as a person. the man you knew. we will give you a chance to share your thoughts on him. >> thank you so much. i didn't

david sweat. i'm chris may. guess case off tonight. a major developing story right now, he is out of here, ryne sandberg has resigned as phillies manager. beasley easies live at the ballpark, where phillies are set to take on the nationals in about an hour from now beasley. >> you know, ryne sandberg has this part in his decision, stepping down as phillies manager but as a organizational failure and more than anything on my part it is the players failure. they failed to make plays cole hamels, you have ryne howard, you have coal cole hamels supposed to strike people out getting ripped. these guys have killed two managers and now ryne sandberg it is tough on hall of famers. they say go turn a double play and when it is time to go get a triple. these guys just can't do it. it is a story of failure here. sandberg talk about the fans in the way they supported him. in the last three years here in philadelphia, i have met some of the most passionate baseball fans on a daily basis, that always gave me encouragement, they loved their baseball team, abe that is something i will never forget. >> the teams fault on more than just a manager i'm hoping this

beasley school of law. he was rusk professor at the university of georgia law school. he is a former law clerk to david souter. he specializes in international immigration and constitutional law and is the author of "beyond citizenship, american identity after globalization." join me in welcoming harold bruff and peter spiro. peter: thanks, jeff, very much for that gracious introduction. it is really a thrill to have jeff here doing so many wonderful things at the national constitution center. it really is a huge asset to philadelphia. thanks also to all of you for coming today. it is really a delight and a pleasure to engage mry old friend hal bruff in a conversation about his very excellent book, which is a real tour de force. i should mention before i forget that hal will be doing a book signing downstairs after our conversation, but hal and i go way back. he was a mentor to me when i was starting out studying the things he is one of the real leaders in in constitutional law. in the field. so, we are going to have a conversation. then i'll prompt hal with some questions, and then we will take some q

beasley school of law. he was rusk professor at the university of georgia law school. he is a former law clerk to david souter. he specializes in international immigration and constitutional law and is the author of "beyond citizenship, american identity after globalization." join me in welcoming harold bruff and peter spiro. [applause] peter: thanks, jeff, very much for that gracious introduction. it is really a thrill to have jeff here doing so many wonderful things at the national constitution center. it really is a huge asset to philadelphia. thanks also to all of you for coming today. it is really a delight and a pleasure to engage mry old friend hal bruff in a conversation about his very excellent book, which is a real tour de force. i should mention before i forget that hal will be doing a book signing downstairs after our conversation, but hal and i go way back. he was a mentor to me when i was starting out studying the things he is one of the real leaders in constitutional law. in the field. so, we are going to have a conversation. then i'll prompt hal with some questions, and then we will tak

david sweat. i'm chris may. guess case off tonight. a major developing story right now, he is out of here, ryne sandberg has resigned as phillies manager. beasleyies live at the ballpark, where phillies are set to take on the nationals in about an hour from now beasley. >> you know, ryne sandberg has this part in his decision, stepping down as phillies manager but as a organizational failure and more than anything on my part it is the players failure. they failed to make plays cole hamels, you have ryne howard, you have coal cole hamels supposed to strike people out getting ripped. these guys have killed two managers and now ryne sandberg it is tough on hall of famers. they say go turn a double play and when i