c-span: david bing gurian. >> guest: david bing gurian our first prime minister when i was a young officer. he likes me very much. he used to invite me and talk to me and i remember that he told me the greek saying that said, to dare is to succeed. the story of our people and the land of israel is a story of daring. it's a story of daring. that is the story. and without daring, i don't think we could have achieved anything there. right so why do people like to write the word ruthless when they talk about ariel sharon? >> guest: maybe i should use discretion but i learned that once you believe in something you have to fight for it. that is how i was taught at home and our home never anybody was accepted and you know without being checked in so long. my parents used to say always, never accept anything, never take anything for granted. check it. if you accept that, it's along the line that you believe, back and support it. if not, fight it. that is how i do and maybe i have the strength to struggle for those things i believed in. i don't think i ever gave the. i did struggle. and maybe that