look, ted olsob and david boyce did a remarkable job. they brought a case that people were very skeptical about. but it was roberta kaplan's case which was the big case, and she's a winner even more than boyce -- >> who is robert kaplan. >> she is not as famous as-- >> she represented edie windsor in the doma case. >> and also, the way, it's a considerable victory for verrilli, the solicitor general, who filed a brief opposing doma which the court very significantly adopted. >> rose: so both of you expect that we will see, except in some places, an immediate move for states to allow same-sex marriage? >> as justice scalia says? dissent, the kennedy decision, the majority decision in the doma case arms people who want to strike down bans on gay marriage with lots of rhetoric and logic, and there will be lawsuits filed, and whether through the democratic process or in courts, you're going to see lots and lots of progsame-sex marriage. but jeff is right, there will be parts of the country that only an eventual supreme court decision some yea

the court is clearly not going to take the case that was brought by david boyce and ted olson to declare a constitutional right to same-sex marriage everywhere. and can i put in a plug here for mary benoto, it was her legal strategy and she has done this work. and i wish we could push a button and get all our rights tomorrow. that's never been the way it's worked. you have to work hard legally and politically and socially and intellectually. and this is a major breakthrough. it is in everything. but it is a good indication that everything is not too far away, because it is a further validation of the sentiment and one good thing leads to another. you will now have, because i think the prop 8 case will be, as you said, about 100 million americans will have the right to same-sex marriage, as i count it up quickly in my head. and once more, that's a big reality that will defeat prejudice. and this movement the is going to go forward. we're not all the way there yet, but this is a major step towards it. >> congressman barney frank, our thanks to you for coming on. and i just want to reset fo

>> bush versus gore, we know how that went but ted olson and david boyce argued against proposition eight and join me tonight. gentlemen, congratulations on a very successful day, obviously. was it a successful as you would wished it to be? >> we are tickled to death with what happened in the supreme court today. it's a victory for the people in california that wish to get married to the person they love. this is what we set out to do. when we first took this case and this is what happened today in the supreme court of the united states. the vindication to be treated with dignity and respect and equality. we could not be happier. >> and i think -- >> if i can -- let me rephrase the question. if i can rephrase the question. are you frustrated, though, despite the success, that we we didn't get today from the supreme court was a decision on a homosexual's constitutional right to get married in america? >> well, what you did get was a decision that i think lays the ground work for decisions all across the country to establish marriage equality in every one of the 50 states. now what happened

i heard david boyce say something outside the supreme court today.e said the decision by the court striking down doma will be followed by the same decision against california's prop 8 when that measure gets to be properly brought before the court which it hasn't so far. i agree with david as i often do. the wheels of justice turn slowly but they will some day and they will some day grind finally. we'll get the court decision america deserves some day. for now it is a time to celebrate the american constitution and the rights it protects. justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. pete, what a day and what a direction. it just seems like even though it's only justice kennedy but the future has been pointed out to us today. >> well, it's very interesting, chris, that just yesterday, the supreme court greatly disappointed the civil rights community in america by striking at the heart of the voting rights act. then came back today and struck down the defense of marriage act giving great hope to the advocates of same-sex marriage across the nation.

david boyce said we're moving to the 38 states and he says within five years, he thinks marriage equality will -- will cover the whole country. that's an ambitious goal but not out of the question. >> i want to bring in andrew sullivan. you two have been fighting for this longer than anybody i've heard of at a time when nobody else even saw this as a -- all the big sort of gay rights organizations thought no one was even talking about this stuff. you were writing about it and fighting for it. we'll get to what this means but personality for a moment, andrew, what was this day like for you? >> i cried, too. you know, the word that kennedy used a lot was dignity. in fact, i think he used it nine times, and when you're a kid and you figure out you're gay when you're seven years old, you don't know about sex or anything like that, but you do know that you'll never be able to have a life like your mom and dad, be married and that's a huge wound to some kids self-esteem, identity, psychological pride, and that wound has been healed a little today, and i think of all the future people who will b

. >> joining me now is the legal dream team that won the case in the supreme court, david boyce and tedon. first, gentlemen, congratulations. i'm sure the celebrations overnight are still continuing, at least the afterdploe. david, first to you. this unlikely combination you were adversaries in the famous bush v. gore supreme court arguments. here you are partners and partners in a landmark ruling. tell us how this feels and how it came about. >> well, it feels great. this was -- yesterday and today and tomorrow are just great days for america. the two supreme court decisions that really establish the right of all citizens to be equal, all families to be equal, all loves to be equal, all children to be equal is a great accomplishment for this country. it's been great working with ted. i can guarantee you, it is a lot better to have him on your side than on the other side. one of the great advantages i think of the two of us working together is that we've tried to send a message that this is not a republican or a democratic issue. it is not a conservative or liberal issue. it is a consti

david boyce reacted to the decision. >> this is a great day for america. today, united states supreme court in two important decisions, brings us that much closer to true equality. >> the president en route to africa released a tweet hailing the doma ruling saying today's doma ruling is a historic ruling #loveislove. he called the plaintiffs live while they were on air. >> we're proud of you guys and we're so glad that californians and that ruling will make it equal. you guys should be very proud of today. >> the prop 8 ruling was also a 5-4 vote but this time chief justice john roberts joined the majority while anthony kennedy dissented. now specifically the court ruled that the defenders of prop 8 lacked standing to argue the case, there by, sending it back to a lower court which had previously ruled the ballot initiative unconstitutional. the court's ruling marked a huge shift in the landscape of gay rights. back in 1996 bill clinton signed doma into law under political pressure. "the new york times" reported at the time that the president considered it

david boyce said we're moving to the 38 states and he says within five years, he thinks marriage equality will -- will cover the whole country. that's an ambitious goal but not out of the question. >> i want to bring in andrew sullivan. you two have been fighting for this longer than anybody i've heard of at a time when nobody else even saw this as a -- all the big sort of gay rights organizations thought no one was even talking about this stuff. you were writing about it and fighting for it. we'll get to what this means but personality for a moment, andrew, what was this day like for you? >> i cried, too. you know, the word that kennedy used a lot was dignity. in fact, i think he used it nine times, and when you're a kid and you figure out you're gay when you're seven years old, you don't know about sex or anything like that, but you do know that you'll never be able to have a life like your mom and dad, be married and that's a huge wound to some kids self-esteem, identity, psychological pride, and that wound has been healed a little today, and i think of all the future people who will b

david boyce reacted to the decision. >> this is a great day for

there's david boyce and some of the other plaintiffs in the case. they won the case.ifornia. here's the statement from the attorney general. i am thrilled that the state lifted its ban. gay and lesbian couples have waited so long for this day and for their fundamental right to marry. finally there loving relationships are as legitimate and legal as any other. as i said, she's now at the san francisco city hall. and she's participating in two marriages, two of those couples. the same sex couples that were involved in the case. let me just point out that this is a historic moment in california, indeed around the country as this 9th court of apea the decision has gone forward. very traumatic moment indeed. and it was all put in motion by the united states supreme court decisions ending defense of marriage act. but also allowing same sex marriage effectively to go forward. comela harris was with me in the situation room. she said it would happen quickly. indeed it has happened very, very happy. it's also having another impact on sesame street. bert and ernie are seen cele

supreme court where david boyce, one of the two attorneys along with ted olson, who remitted the challengers to prop 8, are now spooeking. >> now most importantly, we thank all the people who have devoted so much to this battle over so many decades, people who did it at a time when it was not as easy for us to go into court. the only thing i regret today is my friend and colleague ted olson can't be here. he has been a leader in this battle the last four years. he is unfortunately today in another court in another part of the country arguing another case. but his spirit is here, and he will be with me tonight, and we will celebrate because this is a victory not just for us, not just for the plaintiffs, not even just for the people who have worked for this so many decades but for all americans. thank you. >> we want to hear from chris perry. these are the berkeleys be lest beeian couple, the couple who won. >> today is a great day for american children and families. sandy and i want to say how happy we are not only to be able to return to california and finally get married but to be able to s

speaking first will be david boys. -- boyce. >> this is a great day for america. 10 years ago today the united states supreme court in lawrence vs. texas, took the first important step to guaranteeing that all americans, regardless of sexual orientation, were qual citizens under the law. today the united states supreme court in two important decisions brings us that much closer to true equality. in the decision striking as unconstitutional the so-called doma, or defense of marriage case, the united states supreme court held that there was no purpose for depriving gay and lesbian couples of the right to marry the person they love. there was no legitimate justification for that. as justice scalia noted, that holding, that principle, guarantees the right of every individual in every state to marriage equality. in the california case, the supreme court held that the proponents of proposition eight did not have standing. what that means in that case the supreme court could not reach the parents. but everything that the supreme court said in the defense of marriage opinion where they did reac