general and co-author of this book reading the dream the case for marriage a quality along with david boyda were you surprised by a lot of people with your position on marriage? >> certainly i did. i didn't surprise me were people who knew me because i've always felt i grew up in california and i feel it's wrong and i've always felt it's wrong to discriminate against people who are gay or. i thought this was something i could do and wanted to do so i was a little surprised that people were surprised because i'm a conservative and a lot of people were and i felt that it was my mission to try to convince as many of them as i could but this is the right place to be. >> host: what is the conservative case? >> the conservative case for gay marriage is easy they are to loving people that want to come together in a relationship and form a part of a community to have a family and be a part of our society and live together. what could be more conservative than that? we should want people who love one another to want to get married. marriage is a conservative value and when gay people want to get mar