the time carl anthony was the executive director and president of earth island institute with david brauer. and juliet was working on her mba at san francisco state, and i was asked to sit in on the interview when she came to apply for a job as carl's assistant. basically, a very low-level job. but what i was i'd impressed by was shear passion and her commitment and her caring for community and for people, marginalized people of every color. and i sat through that interview. and when she walked out of the room, we had a flood of people from san francisco state, from university of california, from stanford who really wanted to work as an assistant to carl anthony who was then president of and chair of the urban habitat which was the oldest environmental justice organization in the country. i was honored and excited, and carl and i looked at each other, and we said, this young woman hands down. so, i have known her for the last 17 years. i have been proud to claim her as one of my mentees and somebody that i've mentored. i have listened to her talk about the challenges of working in the publ