[applause] >> you have been listening to david brock about his new book, "killing the messenger." we'll now begin the talk with david from a series of questions from me and from the audience. and i guess i'll start. david, thank you for your comments. and i'll just start off with this first question. in your book you claim there's no evidence that there's clinton fatigue and that it's affecting voters. how would you account for her recent decline in the polls? >> sure. so about clinton fatigue, what i say in the book is that we've heard this a lot. you can go back to the 2000 election where al gore and his advisers made the decision not to have president clinton out on the campaign trail because they saw the country was sick of clinton. that, obviously, was a mistake. clinton fatigue was brought up in her senate races. no polling ever showed that's the case. it is a hope that with all the scandal mongering they can tire people out on her. but that hasn't happened yet. on her polling, yeah. so i think a couple different things. one, she in the last few months the name hillary clinto

and david brock.oth willing to agree that donald trump and hillary clinton are each other's best friends on the campaign trail right now? hillary clinton props up donald trump by accusing him and donald trump props up hillary clinton by accusing her. >> good point, john. you know, ideally what you look for in a campaign are differences so that you got somebody on one side or somebody on the other and the differences are very clear. i think that's what is happening here and the process of happening and they would be a terrific match in the campaign. they are very distinctly different people. they have two opposed views of the world. there is a choice and that's what the american people like to have. >> there is this conspiracy theory out there, david, which is that hillary clinton wants to run against donald trump. if she had her choice, donald trump would be in the election. is that true? >> i think you can never pick your opponent and i think if you look at the entire republican field, it's not just

i followed that up with a book by david brock who was at that time a conservative, it was a frantic look at the evidence given in the hearings. a major bestseller that i published after that was called the bell curve by charles burney and richard bernstein and since then books of note, one of the books that i'm proudest of having published is called denying the holocaust by deborah dads, but that we had to twist evers i'm too published because she didn't want to give holocaust denial a forum. she said it's not a good idea to publish a book about them because that's what they want. they want attention and they want to be taken seriously. we persuaded her that it was an important subject and interestingly enough she was sued in a british court by david irving, a famous holocaust denier and she won. i believe he went to jail so very satisfied with that outcome. a few years ago in the earlier part of 2000 i published jonah goldberg's liberal fascism which was a lot of fun. more recently sarah palin's going rogue and america by heart and currently a book by peter schweitzer who has been on th

joining us now is david brock, author of "killing the messenger: the right wing plot to derail hillary and had come your government." thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me back. >> it seems pretty clear the clinton campaign would like a battle with donald trump. >> to some extent, sure. i don't see why not. >> in large part because he's cartoon character that keeps saying things like this. >> on one level, i think that's right. on another level, i think what we're seeing is pretty troubling. as much as the latest outrage, you may say, great, it's hurting republicans, it's really deeply troubling that the base of the party likes what they're seeing in trump. there's a real desire for strong men in the base of the party. i think we're seeing an entirely different republican party in this cycle. and trump is riding that wave. but what's really interesting is not so much trump as the trump supporters. and it goes back to the racial appeals of nixon, to the silent majority, to the reagan democrats. now these people feel manipulated, they feel exploited, they feel used. they're look

joining me now, jeffrey lord a trump supporter and former director and david brock, founder of correct the record, super pact designed to counter attacks against hillary clinton. he's also the founder of media matters.org. attacks against hillary clinton. donald trump made a few of them tonight but on at least one, isn't he right? there is no video that we know of of isis showing donald trump to recruit people right now, is there? >> i don't think donald trump is right. he's wrong. national security counterterrorism experts across the spectrum right and left say that donald trump's words are being used as a recruitment tool for isis. i could give you a list longer than my arm of tweets, blog posts by isis fighters using trump's words to insight and so i think what he's done here is turn the story around but the real story here is what he's doing is really serious. it's really dangerous and it has the potential, god forbid we get hurt again he has the blood of fellow americans on hands. >> i heard many analysts say that donald trump's words could be used for isis to recruit. i've heard

. >> david brock joins me now. founder of correct the record, strategic research and rapid response team backing hillary clinton. thank you for being with me. >> thanks for having me on. >> what do you make of what ted cruz said and what some folks are throwing at the dnc, saying they've got a preference, if you will, for your candidate? >> oh, i think there's no evidence for that, poppy? there are debates happening. hillary has had strong performances in the debates. i don't think her campaign or supporters would want to hide her. >> i want to read something from frank rooney in the "new york times" this week. he writes, clinton is more than adequately steeled. the real danger for her is that she has become all armor. and the real vulnerability is she is seen as entrenched political royalty and too distanced from the everyday americans talks so much about at the start of her campaign. what do you see about that? >> well, i think for some critics of hillary she can never win. and the reality is just in the last 10

"outfront" next, katrina pierson and david brock. nice to see you.atrina, two tweets now -- not just one, two tweets coming from trump, both of them warning clinton and says both times, be careful. what is donald trump warning hillary clinton about? >> i think it's obvious that he's the only republican candidate that would be willing to take hillary head-on. no one really complained using the same exact word for a woman and a congressional race and all of a sudden it's horrible. hillary clinton has some nerve to talk about the war on women and the bigotr towards women when she has a serious problem in her husband. >> david brock? >> let's not talk about hillary clinton for a minute. unhinged pretty fascist. i think the strong statement is, what kind of a man -- let's forget the pardonship -- what kind of man does that? somebody who is frightened, who is insecure and is a woos who has to act like a bully to make him feel like he's a big man. we're not going to be bullied in this campaign. >> let's distinguish between the people he's talking about, the

. >>> "outfront" now, donald trump campaign spokesperson, katrina pierson and david brock. david, you heard donald trump. he said hillary clinton should stop using the quote/unquote woman's card in part given her husband's past. fair point? >> no. not at all. this has nothing to do with bill or hillary clinton. politically, this is a strategy by trump to feed red meat to the base because cruz is beating him in iowa. he can't go to the right of cruz on immigration because they both have such a draconian position. he thinks this is going to work with the base that may want to go back and relitigate something from 20 years ago but the public rejected it then, as donald trump did a few years ago. and what he's really trying to avoid here is taking hillary clinton out on the issues where she's got real differences on how to fight isis, where she wants to double down on special forces and have a no-fly zone and he wants to make an alliance with a criminal, a murderer, putin. or let's talk about, quote, woman card. hillary clinton for reproductive choice. trump says no. hillary cli

it's about learning something new from david brock who wrote the biography of gordon rower. this is in my book because he was in the archives looking through newspaper and he stumbled across a memo that shockley wrote probably in 1952. he made this case for bell labs to build something like he called the automatic trainable robot. rod brooks who started, we think of robotics baxter he just gave his employees the text of this document known could tell what the date was. he laid out the notion of whatever google might be doing now. so the connection is it makes important for silicon valley's that he went to beckman interest remits, he did not go there to make a transistor company, transistor company, he went to ask a robot company. there are robotics at the root of silicon valley. i didn't know that. he wanted beckman to build the robot size. in that kind of evolved into a transistor. the original vision was about robots. so here we are 50 years later. >> what a perfect said way into the whole discussion of robots. this book seems to have captured the national imagination. you

i followed that up with a book by david brock who was at that me

it's about learning something new from david brock who wrote the biography of gordon rower. this is in my book because he was in the archives looking through newspaper and he stumbled across a memo that shockley wrote probably in 1952. he made this case for bell labs to build something like he called the automatic trainable robot. rod brooks who started, we think of robotics baxter he just gave his employees the text of this document known could tell what the date was. he laid out the notion of whatever google might be doing now. so the connection is it makes important for silicon valley's that he went to beckman interest remits, he did not go there to make a transistor company, transistor company, he went to ask a robot company. there are robotics at the root of silicon valley. i didn't know that. he wanted beckman to build the robot size. in that kind of evolved into a transistor. the original vision was about robots. so here we are 50 years later. >> what a perfect said way into the whole discussion of robots. this book seems to have captured the national imagination. you

donald trump insen waits as david puts it that brock brock may not be a total american because he won'tical muslim terrorist ant give it a religious component, he says there is something going on there. ted cruz calls it an apologist for radical islam instead. it's one thing is it f i disagree with you and say you're mistaken or ill-informed, but when i start demonizing your motives, and he does that. trump with better academic credentials, a better haircut and probably 60i.q. points. >> reporter: other than that, what would you add? >> cruz is interesting because he's universally unpopular. in the law firm, at school, among republicans when he was working with george w. bush's campaign, he could not get a serious job after that because everyone said i will not work with that guy. comes to the senate, republican senate if they vote for a majority democrats or ted cruz, they vote for the democrat. he uses that t. he's extremely tactical. he's very deft at moving this way and that, and so, the republican party faces this problem, but they don't want trump, but the alternative might be cru

david ignacious. to most listening to brock and hillary clinton, hillary clinton appears to be head on and barack obama clueless like he was clueless when we talked about the jv team and like he was clueless when he talked about how isis couldn't reach us here. i understand the investigation has to move forward but the president once again is failing to step forward and shall we, this sort of leadership a lot of people want. that fuels the rise of candidates like donald trump who says we're going to bomb the held out of them. it's not a workplace dispute, right. >> i think suggesting that is prime mistake. i would say the president is cautious. that's his nature to call him clueless, i think, is unnecessarily sharp. i do think, joe, that looking at this latest tragedy, people who are really worried about terrorism and many of those are on the right and people who are really worried about gun safety and many of those are on the left surely could agree that reducing the ability of people like farook and malik to have access to semiautomatic weapons is a good thing. >> the president of the united states w