let's take a step back, as david broder said, a liberal columnist, and one of the most respected in the country, and take a look at this and make sure we do it right. >> i'm not sure that i would accept the characterization of david broder as a, quote, liberal columnist, i think he's just a really fine reporter down the middle. but let's take it from there. where would you raise the money? let's take senator grass hawale estimate that there's a $200 billion hole in this proposal right now. how would you raise that money? >> i believe if you need to raise money, and my view is that with all this money we have in our health care system, we spend 17% of our gross national product on health care, we probably don't need to raise a lot of more money, we just need to spend the money we have more effect live. so if you're going to raise money, raise it from within the health care arena. so i would limit the deductibility of high-end premium and insurance plans so people working in a restaurant in new hampshire aren't underwriting an insurance plan that may cost $17,000, $18,000, $0,000, which h

david broder, the respected columnist in "the washington post," says, that the plans, which have been passed in a partisan way -- i mean, they're democratic plans. we have republican plans that we would like to have considered. i mentioned the wyden-bennett plan, which is the only real bipartisan plan here. not given one bit of consideration so far in the united states senate. and then senator burr and senator coburn have a plan. senator gregg has a plan. senator hatch has a plan. we all have different ideas, as i said. we'd like for them to be considered. but if th of the democratic plat are now being considered, david broder says -- quote -- "badly flawed and overly expensive." last thursday, the head of the congressional budget office, douglas elmendorf, and the congressional budget office, of course, is the nonpartisan office in this congress that we count as an umpire to tell us what we're really doing. it's not supposed to have any political rhetoric. douglas elmendorf was asked at a senate budget committee hearing what he thought about the bills which had begun to emerge. he sa

as david broder, his thing.ut covering more people. >> we know medicare and medicaid go bankrupt. we can't be incremental in cutting costs. what tough choices do you propose in cutting the explosive rate of growth in health care? >> i don't think it's hard at all, joe. i think what you do is you create transparency in the market, one, so that you get to see what you're buying and what it costs. number two, you reconnect the purchaser of health care with some economic connection out of their own pocket, which oftentimes we have not. once you create that transparency and you also create transparency in terms of quality, all of a sudden we'll have the economic reason to make a decision. we know that one out of every $3 spent in health care today doesn't help anybody get well and doesn't prevent anybody getting sick. certainly we can do better than that. >> all right. we want to thank the stars of a new show, the senate doctor show, senator tom coburn and senator john barrasso, thank you very much. >> watch us today

i like to say the david berger's of the day but of course they were david broder.laughter] we are terrified of the idea of passions running away with us and the reason for that was because they had known the experience of fascism and they had known the experience of your of turning into a-- by demagogues reaching out to people's most passionate and sting so the theory at the time that you learned in college in political science was both parties had to have an equal number of liberals and conservatives. they had to be these ideological and they were. in new york you had a senator like jacob javits it was probably the most aggressive civil rights centers. he was a republican. the democrats had someone named theodore bilbo it was the mississippi senator who wrote separation or of modernization, take your choice. one of the great dramas of american history that i certainly can't tell in five seconds or 15 seconds or 15 minutes is why that sensibility broke apart. actually a lot of it probably had to do with the way politicians change the way that they tried to put toge