police say david carlson killed a fugitive with a shotgun blast and charging him with murder and manslaughter things. others are rallies around carlson saying he's no vigilante. he had previously taken this man into his home, shared food with him and had him do odd jobs in exchange. he turned to police when he discovered the man was, indeed, a fugitive but police reportedly missed apprehending him. was this self defense? did he take justice into his own hands? let's bring in our legal panel. great to have you guys back. the charges here are quite extensive. let me just read a few. murder in the second degree, manslaughter, first degree, manslaughter in second degree, misdemeanor on a weapons charge. what do you think about the charges? >> this tells me that the prosecution is literally throwing everything up to see what sticks. they don't know exactly what went down that day with the killings but it's smart frer a prosecution standpoint to overcharge than to undercharge. if you undercharge, you risk never actually getting a conviction on anything because of due process concerns down the road.

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joining me today washington bureau chief of mother jones david corrin, columnist for bloomberg view margaret carlson. also joining us from washington nbc news political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chuck, as always, thank you for joining us. i want to go to you first in terms of this news that the president will be making a statement at 2:00 p.m. what that is about? is the white house concerned some talking points from the right that the white house refuses to negotiate is hurting the white house in their argument? >> they would claim no. clearly you heard a little shift in tone from the president yesterday. each day of the shutdown, if you've noticed, there's been a way the white house has tried to have an opportunity for the president to speak on camera. some of it has been impromptu, like when he walked to lunch but took questions, something he doesn't normally do. that was the way they decided to do it. yesterday was fema. today it's a news conference. so i think this is more of the president getting his perspective out today in front of cameras, so the form they have