well, let's bring david cathy, he's director of the center for strategic studies at victoria university in wellington, you join us line from wellington in new zealand. david, good job. you were there. so new zealand has already banned any australia nuclear submarines and its waters. but how much does this new alliance expose the differences between australia and new zealand, regional foreign policy? well down just to start without saying you haven't come out and band straight yourself brains from its territory. you seem to a longstanding engineer position and legislation that's been in place for more than 25 years. and the prime minister came out yesterday just simply said that that changes his legislation is on change. that policy is unchanged. there's been no direct comment about the strategy and submarines and these, i think it's worth remembering that these are submarines that are probably not going to come into service until probably the end of the 2030. so it's a, it's a slightly hypothetical problem. but i think probably 11 thing that this deal does make clear is it, it, i'm, the