amy: david cay johnston, we will let you respond after this music brbreak. david cay johnston and glenn greenwald debate the mueller report. stay with us. ♪ [music break] amy: tina turner "come together." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we continue our debate for the hour, the rematch of two pulitzer prize-winning journalists dedicate johnson and glenn greenwald. david cay johnston, it is your turn up next but i want to also throw in another part of the mueller report, where he wrote "we recognize that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting president would place ordinance on the president's capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct. the report went on to say, mueller's team "determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the preresident committeded crimes." if you could respond to the numerous points glenn greenwald just raise and then also that approach which he says is going along with departmen

russia great critic aaron maté who's called the collusion allegations and conspiracy theory and david cay johnstona pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book it's even worse than you think what the trumpet ministration is doing to america david aaron thanks for joining me in the arena david can i start with you it looks like it's all over apparently robert muller did not conclude that anyone in the trump campaign quote conspired or coordinated with the russians in interfering in the elections that was supposed to be the main purpose of the investigation trump has been given the all clear you in the media the democrats you got it all wrong well actually bill bars latter. that trump is not exonerated on obstruction of justice and he flames the issue of collusion in terms of the russian government the russian government operates off and through all of darksome cut outs and other people who aren't directly the russian government so we need to see the mahler report you've repeatedly called the russia great story a conspiracy theory is it now all done and dusted for you or does david have

david cay johnston once got access to stop of donald trump's 2005 tax return.elcome to "prime time." always good to see you, brother. >> good to see you. >> all right. so let's start with the will they. do you think there is any way that the president can block the chairman of the ways and means committee's request? >> no. under a 1924 anti-corruption law, the chairman of the ways and means committee, the senate finance committee or the employee of congress who is the chief of staff for the joint committee on taxation all have a right to see this. the law says the treasury secretary shall produce not just the tax return but any tax return information. that means if they have copies of the books and records of donald trump's companies, transaction records, audit notes, audit notices, many other things, and i suspect, by the way, this will also eventually get into any gift tabs returns donald trump may have filed. >> now let's get into why they want it, what he should be concerned about. this is an interesting take from his former personal attorney michael cohen.

. >> i'm joined by robert costa at "the washington post" and david cay johnston.e. i look at the theatrics of this. we thought we would get the report and we are going to get the coming attractions long before we see the actual mueller report tomorrow. >> congress will have questions when the attorney general is called before the house of representatives to testify not only about the report, but the process behind the release. >> did you know and have you gotten reporting at the post about the fact that they shared that they were getting briefed by barr on what's in the mueller report. the white house lawyers and the president's personal lawyers are getting briefing on what was in it. the guts of it before anyone else has seen it. >> "the washington post" report that is the white house is aware of the department of justice and their plan for the department release tomorrow at the same time the depth is something we will have to hear more about in the coming 24 hours. not a lot of detail, but the white house is aware that certain things are moving forward and they

david k. johnston about donald trump's tax returns. there is simply no better tax reporter than david cayston. he won the pulitzer prize at "the new york times" for tax reporting and that's why he was trusted by an anonymous source who delivered the summary pages of donald trump's 2005 tax return that he first made public on rachel maddow's show. tonight in an article just published at "the daily beast" he reveals that treasury secretary steven mnuchin and the commissioner charles redding are now in serious dangerous of violating section 7214 of the tax code which could be punishable by five years he in prison. section 7214 is entitled "offenses by officers and employees of the of united states." it says any officer or employee of the united states acting in connection, any revenue law of the united states who with intent to defeat the application of any provision of this law fails to perform any of the duties of his office or employment shall be dismissed from office or discharged from employment and upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more tha

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