let's break all of it down with pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter, david cay johnston. he wrote the big cheat, how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family. david, i've got to get your reaction to this penalty, because when i heard 1. 6 million, i don't know, give me a break, i would guess trump's legal bills are higher than that. >> very likely, they are. the penalty is 100% of the tax, basically. so, trump is also going to have to pay the tax that was not paid. remember, this is a state case. this isn't the federal tax that was avoided, it was the state level tax, which is roughly a third to a quarter, according to a third of the federal rate. >> does that mean he's going to be paying more for federal tax fraud? i'm just saying, 1. 6 million seems like no biggie. trump is not in trouble, trump is not in jail, he is still a very wealthy man, and could blow his nose was 1. 6. he's not in jail. weissenberg is. >> right, i agree with you about that, totally. weisselberg was charged by prosecutors who were hoping to get him to turn on donald, and it