that was fascinating, david chalian, gloria borger. e hard to hear because they're in the hallway sort of in the interior of the aircraft carrier, but david what i heard him say was that he thought he may have told the truth, that was sort of what i heard near the end but also said he didn't know he had spoken to the ambassador. >> that's right. and the white house said they had not learned of this until the "washington post" report specifically emerged last night, which i also find quite surprising because as you know this team went through this with michael flynn with this particular russian ambassador and one might think in mid january they would have to learn all that contact between the russian ambassador that perhaps they would have tried to broaden their scope with any contact any one of their nominees had, but they didn't know of this as part of session's confirmation hearing prep or part of the nominationoverall. >> gloria, michael flynn, he spoke to the russian ambassador, later said and relayed to the vice president he did no

da david chalian to you, it was that last snippet. when you heard the lafter ughte the room. >> so you have this week we have had the house intelligence committee chairman republican devin nunes house intel ranking member adam schiff, intel chairman burr, now add jim comey on monday what adam schiff expects him he is going to say and what president trump retweets doesn't equal endorsement. he didn't take any ownership or responsibility for the fact that his spokes person went before the white house press corp. and cited this story about the british intelligence service. >> which the white house has apologized for. >> but some brits say a formal apology was offered i believe we had some reporting earlier from white house sources that it could be construed as an apology. sean spicer saying we regret nothing, taking his queue from his boss but the basic question, two weeks ago you tweeted that barak obama wiretapped your phones. it has been completely debunked by everyone. do you withdraw, we can't that tweet? that question wasn't posed

. >> david chalian, political director. the big picture here? >> i keep thinking back to on election night when the results were clear and we saw that donald trump had taken the oval office and republicans had the house and the senate, the first thing that people discovered or started analyzing and talking about well obamacare is gone, that's clear they have the house, the senate, oval office. >> and have been talking about it for seven years. >> of course. and i can't believe we're sitting here watching this potentially fall apart. again, they still have to cast these votes so we don't know exactly where this will land but if this is going to go the way sean spicer's briefing seems to suggest that it is, paul ryan and donald trump are going to be the ones that saved obamacare and kept it in place is a bizarre outcome. >> and what's more bizarre is republicans will be blaming each other no doubt if it loses the president will blame the democrats an whatever else, but you not only have republicans blaming each other but you have house republicans

david chalian, i trust your spidy sense as well. just on the face of this what a pickle president trump has put his entire administration in over one tweet early on a saturday morning. >> they have been scrambling to figure out how to co-exist with totally unsubstantiated untrue tweet twisting themselves into pret pretzels and for chairman nunes saying this is a problem of the credibility and that's why we take the tweet so seriously, not figuratively, it's not the man making the charge it's the office he represents, which oub outrageous if true and clearly his own supporter in devin nunes now clearly saying this is not true and now he's got to work to rehabilitate that credibility. >> what i was alluding to with jim and gloria, the president is in nashville and will be talking health care, he will be speaking shortly in tennessee and he's been uncharacter risically silent on this -- >> i don't know the answer to that because the president is unpredictable. i would probably think that his lawyers have told him to not say anything ab

let's go to cnn political director david chalian. isn't that to be determined?republican health care bill is going to pass tonight. so do we know if all of the russia cloud is affecting the president's agenda? >> we don't know that yet. i groo e with you, alisyn. we do know it's a distraction that has interrupted their desired messaging strategy because i'm sure they would rather be talking about selling this health care bill, getting out there, pointing to what comes behind this health care bill, tax reform, other big initiative items. but every sean spicer briefing and every interaction the president has with the press for the last few weeks has been dominated by the russia stuff. his tweets, the surveillance and the wiretapping. clearly it's a distraction. to your point, we'll learn tonight -- not that you can directly tie it, but we'll learn if indeed his agenda is stalled? >> no smile irony in the fact nunes saying it's a dark cloud and he tried to be a nice ray of sunshine, david chalian. he goes around his committee with information that is uniquely helpf

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the best thing that could happen is what happened today had me scratching my head because, as david chalian used the perfect word for it in the last hour, he said that is so cynical because what the president was saying is, okay, let obamacare collapse and, you know what, i'm not going to get blamed for it. so, it seems to me that he didn't care about losing as much as paul ryan did and a lot of republicans and the house did. >> david chalian, he also spoke about arcane rules up there in the house of representatives. listen to this. >> yeah. >> this is something that certainly was an interesting period of time. we all learned a lot, we learned a lot about loyalty, we learned a lot about the vote getting processed. we learned a lot about some very arcane rules in, obviously both the senate and in the house. so, it's been certainly for me it's been a very interesting experience. >> clearly it's been a learning experience for the president about those arcane rules in the house and senate. >> mr. trump, welcome to washington. this is how it works. i'm sure this has been a learning process for h

. >>> i want to bring in david chalian, the way he just took that organization completely down, i remember when republicans loved the cbo because it tells the conservatives what matters most to them which is how much is it's going to cost taxpayers. >> reporter: and we will get that information, two days now in a row from that podium sean spicer is trying to de-emphasize what that will be. >> to his credit. >> i don't know if it will have a huge success for him because as you know from covering this for years, the ceo is the sort of referee where all the pack an forth is going on between the two parties, they come in and put a number on it. that number appears in everybody's talking point and each side tries to spin it but it is the neutral arbiter to say this is how many people are going to be covered and how much it will cost and people are taking that to the bank. >> for the alphabet soup in washington, republicans who the president aptnd the g.o.p. leadership care very much about the cost they haven't seen yet. >> sure, they do, but we also have voters right republicans so far if you l

let's get "the bottom line" from political director david chalian. you put together something of a status report. let's go through it. let's look at where people give the president high marks in these first 50 days. jobs and the economy. we just saw the jobs report, very good. gorsuch nomination for supreme court and his joint session address in front of congress. your thoughts. >> the business community could not be more enthusiastic right now about donald trump. that is great for him out of the gate. obviously the market is responding thusly. he's highlighted companies where he's able to make job deals. the gorsuch nomination is i think his best day, rolling that out, of the entire presidency thus far. big play for conservatives to be happy with the supreme court pick. so far he's being well received on capitol hill. confirmation hearings still to come. of course, the other high mark i gave is the joint session address which got stepped on immediately with the sessions stuff. we'll talk about that in the low marks. but the speech itself was well rec

bring in kirsten powers, david chalian, jack kingston, ryan lizza and philip mudd. my goodness. so much to unpack. david start with you. this is development tonight. question out on all of this is what if anything did the president know and when did he know it. >> those are certainly two key questions that will sort of be going at for long duration of this investigation. no doubt about that don. but it is a significant story because this entire story since it started has been about has there been coordination between trump campaign officials or trump associates and russia, geared at russia's interference with the american election to defeat hillary clinton and get donald trump elected? this is the first step in seeing some that of potential coordination is indeed under investigation. learned from comey on monday this is what they were looking at but this goes a step further to say they have some suggestion this does potentially exist. this is very early in the process. long road to go but each drip, drip, drip of information begs the question what did candidate trump know, if any

let's get to "the bottom line" with cnn political director david chalian. orning, david. >> good morning, alisyn. >> another day, another russian intrigue. maybe there is nothing there as attorney general sessions just said to nbc news when they caught up with him this morning. let me play this for you. >> well, i have not met with any russians at any time to discuss any political campaign, and those remarks are unbelievable to me and are false and i don't have anything else to say about that. so thank you. >> what about the calls to recuse yourself from your agency's probe of -- >> i've said that whenever it's appropriate, i will recuse myself. there's no doubt about that. >> david, what does that mean, whenever it's appropriate? >> i imagine that's not going to be operative for very long. when you have jason chaffetz and al franken on the same page saying you need to clarify and recuse, i imagine it's not going to be too long before attorney general sessions makes that clear. he has said that line before, alisyn. he said i'll recuse myself if there's somet

. >> i want to turn back to wiretapping and david chalian is now joining us. as sean spicer was speaking, mitch mcconnell was up on hill echoing the same, which is they don't have any information that what the president accused president obama of doing ordering a wiretap of president obama is accurate. >> and apparently that's a real sore point with the president who wanted republicans to rush to the mike focrophones to say investigate this and oh, my god how could president obama have done this to president trump, and they were quiet, with the ni microphones except f microphones except for john mccain and lindsey graham. the question is why would the president want congress to spend money investigating a question to which he has the answer by virtue of his tweet? and can make that public any old time he wants. >> let's talk turkey here. this is a president on a twitter storm clearly angry about the way that his staff had handled things, deciding to take things into his own hands and try to change the subject, who knows, probably divert attention from russia,

david chalian, cnn political director, let me begin with you. agree? stark difference on the senate side? >> it's like night and day! remember, though, the house process started somewhat along these lines. i remember, i'm old enough to remember when devin nunes and adam schiff stood side by side. that's completely disintegrated now and this is in clear contrast. and you heard richard burr say at the top, we're not even going to entertain questions about that house process over there. clearly trying to distance himself from it. but i do think you have to -- what i take away from this, brooke, is the magnitude, the enormity, the seriousness of purpose that both of these men seem to have been bringing to this job. richard burr said, this is the biggest investigation hill investigation in his tenure on the hill. he got there in 1995, that's 22 years ago. and clearly they are committed to working together and i think if you're at home watching this after seeing all the shenanigans on the house side, if you're an american at home watching this, you've got to

. >> big picture, why does this matter david chalian?>> paul manafort is a character to what director comey is talking about even though comey did not want to talk about individuals, we know from our reporting that manafort is central to the nexus of russia and russian associations and trump world during the year of the campaign. we do not know the details of those, we do not -- but we know that's being looked at. that's why this is so important. why you see sean spicer trying desperately to push manafort away as if he's not part of the white house which is true he's not and move him out of trump universe because he clearly is a central character. >> and i had spoke to people close to the white house and asked does the president still talk to paul manafort and the answer was no, emphatically no. >> when paul manafort left the campaign, eric trump was interior viewed on fox news and said my father done want this distraction, so it wasn't even at the time it wasn't as if this was -- this was the reason. paul manafort was removed from the c

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cnn political director david chalian, cnn political analyst alex burns, cnn national politics reporter the congressional budget office and president of the conservative american action forum is here, and amanda carpenter, former communications director for ted cruz. david chalian, the republican speaker cancels his morning meeting and pushes back his press consciousness until this afternoon. my spidey sense says that's not a good thing. >> from paul ryan's perspective it might be a hopeful thing that he's holding a press conference later in the afternoon because he thinks he might have something to say. but it's 11:45 in the morning and we have no idea if this bill is going to get a vote today. when you say we're hours away, we could be hours and hours and hours away if this thing does not get sort of nailed down in the next short little while, kate. >> i should start using "hours" with air quotes. alex, jeff zeleny has great reporting saying that a republican close to the process says you've got trump, pence, bannon, conway, making calls. some aides are saying different things to diff

david chalian is cnn political director and david drucker, cnn political analyst and senior congressional correspondent for "the washington examiner." gentlemen, quite a friday already. david chalian, paul manafort, his attorney offering him up to come before the house intelligence committee. this is something that democrats have been beating the drum on, that paul manafort and other names, that's who they want to be interviewing about these potential ties, connections to russia. i do wonder, from the view from the white house, is this good news or bad news for this white house? >> well, you've got to believe that -- let's go to paul manafort's view for a moment because i think that will help inform what the white house's view is. this is clearly a legal strategy on the part of paul manafort and his legal team to try to show, i've got nothing to hide here, ask me any questions. we'll see if he has nothing to hide, because we'll see if that hearing is in public or not. but i would imagine that if indeed paul manafort thinks going to congress is going to help clear his name, then what may b

i don't recall anything like that. >> david chalian, step back a little bit. this is critically overshadowing. this is a vote on the floor tomorrow that could repeal and replace obama that could affect millions and millions of people. what are we talking about? >> this is exactly what we mean about muddying the water, we are consumed and talking about this. all the dust cloud that devin nunes put in front of us and we're going to chase this down and adam schiff responds. we are not at all continuing to look at if that healthcare bill, are they getting the votes or not? what kind of deals are they scoring to try to get the votes? that has gone away from cable television news lines from the headlines of the moment. might give them a breathing line to get the vote. we'll see that tomorrow. that might alleviate for them to try to accomplish the goal. >> can i say something about devin nunes, which interested me when you spoke to jake. he said the last administration had a pretty good idea, meaning trump, was up to. and the implication there is obama. it's, you kno

david chalian, gloria borger, thank you so much. now this. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> top of the hour. i want to restart our special live coverage. the attorney general under fire. the president said jeff sessions should not recuse himself from any investigation of russian links to the trump campaign. this runs counter to a growing list of members of his own party. including top house democrat nancy pelosi are suggesting he resign, all of this revealing that sessions a former campaign official met with russian am bass tw -- ambassador twice during the campaign. he fail today disclose this twice. after several of the president elect's nominees where -- have russian ties have you been in contact with anyone in part of if russian government either before or after election day. no, he suspended. also on camera sessions had this exchange. >> cnn just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote russian operatives claimed to have c

david chalian. >> i mean that is a man of authority, obviously, who perhaps can begin to sway his own party. i still think it's going to be a tough sell for a lot of republicans who want to protect trump in the white house on this still right now to call for a special committee or somehow outside independent investigator because that goes in ways they can't always control. but i do think what devin nunes did today was -- i think it's very hard for an american citizen at home watching all this unfold after seeing the an tks today to actually trust any of it as an impartial arbiter. >> i was watching it and sort of cringing for the guy. you know us kids saying he played himself. >> well, don, i really think it goes back to the fact he was extremely irritated comey didn't go forward. >> so why would he go to the investigating committee first and going to the white house and going to the press, which the trump administration and his urgts always say oh, this stuff gets in the media, why is everybody spreading this? whyp not going to his investigating committee and say to mr. schiff hey we

david chalian, the president weighed in a bit ago for the first time about the tweets in an interview. he was asked why he made claims without producing evidence. >> wire stap comes with a lot of different things. i think you'll find interesting things coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> all right, so did the president just reopen all of this after the white house has been trying to desperately over the past few days to walk it back? >> i think this is part of the walkback. i think donald trump is trying to get away from his unsubstantiated false claims on twitter 11 days ago when the at this timing president of the united states accusing the former president of the united states accuse of wiretapping his phones. we have seen him doing air quotes, and trying to change the conversation here and, you know, he's still going to have to be held accountable for what he claimed barack obama did in those tweets. >> we heard, gloria, the house intelligence committee chairman, the senate intelligence committee chairman, both of them say they haven't seen any evidence to back up

. >> let's break this all down now with cnn political director david chalian and cnn political analyst, daily beast editor in chief, john avlon. guys, great to see y and what a day it is today. david, you have the president on many issues, but the predent striking a new tone yesterday, especially on immigration. he talked about building a wall. he didn't mention anything about mexico paying for it, though, in his speech. but then you had mike pence saying this this morning. >> we're going to build a wall. we're going to enforce the law. >> he didn't say mexico is going to pay for it. >> we'll enforce the laws of this country. well, they are. >> "well, they are." david, where is the president on these two fronts of immigration reform and the wall? >> no, listen, the network -- the lunch that he had with network anchors yesterday where he floated this notion of some big compromise immigration plan, if that was actually something he was pushing, it would be included in the speech in a real way, if that was something he really wanted to launch. until president trump comes out the with some

david chalian, you're up to bat first. let me begin with you. the back and forth both with john roberts on the red flag question and glen flush with "the new york times" following up and athina also following up what the white house knew and when, let me play the sound and then we'll talk. >> you have an attorney calling the transition saying that -- >> no no. >> the person in line to be the national security adviser may need to register as a foreign agent and that doesn't raise a red flag. >> it's not a question of raising a red flag john, it's about whether they gave them advice sha advice they're supposed to, it is not up to them, there are certain activities that fall as far as the threshold, it is not up to, nor appropriate or legal telling them what they have to regster or not. that would be the equivalent of walking through a tax return and saying that's not a deduction you should take, that's why when you contact these actcies you should seek counsel professional advice or expertise, that's not up to them to determine, plain and simple.

let's get "the bottom line" with political director david chalian. a big picture, my friend.the boss, the boss of all of this for us. how necessary is one for the other? if they don't get the travel ban done, if they don't get this health care bill done, how does that impact all the rest, especially tax reform? >> i don't know those two are connected, although i do think if they can't get the obamacare repeal and replace through, i think that has a significant impact on their legislative agenda. hoo ser the thing, donald trump needs a win. there's no doubt about that. remember on the campaign trail he promised america he was a winner, we were going to get so tired of winning, we were going to see so much winning, you wouldn't believe. he's desperate for a win right now. 0-2 on the travel ban. looking forward to the gorsich confirmation. looking like he'll get this guy on the supreme court with relative ease. that would be a big win. right now he's mired in a bunch of tricky political terrain. >> the clear connection is between health care and tax. they're in the reconciliatio

i want to bring in our political director david chalian. all right.is being firmly rejected by the republican chairman, ranking democrat on the intelligence committee saying he was totally wrong in those allegations he made nearly two weeks ago. the four tweets when he made these brutal accusations against president obama. >> look at the word you read, surveillance, they didn't specifically say wiretapping which the white house has been hung up on that word. this it is broadest rebuke of what donald trump claimed that we have seen to date. and we heard from the house intelligence chairman devin nunes, ranking member adam schiff, now the both democrat and republican there in a very strong broad wording here that basically there was no surveillance of trump tower. >> no wiretapping. the president admits himself in his binterview with fox news >> but that's not what he initially said. >> no, terrible, just found out that obama had my wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory. nothing found. this is mccarthyism. at 6:49 a.m. is it legal for a si

cnn political commentator ryan an liz da, new yorker magazine, cnn political director david chalian andenior washington correspondent brianna keilar. brianna, how is this all going to play out now? the senate side seems pretty smooth. house side seems pretty ugly. >> at some point, that is the perfect characterization of it. it seems as if the senate side on the intel committees has been doing a better job of trying to project this sense of being objective. so the expectation now is we're going to be hearing from sally yates. we don't know when but expect we're going to hear from her and what she is going to say, we would expect, is not going to be something that the trump white house is going to feel is friendly to them. she is the one who alerted the trump white house that michael flynn, the now ousted nsa director was someone who could be open to blackmail. why? because we know he told mike pence the vice president and told administration officials had he not talks to the russian ambassador about sanctions. turned out he did and that led to him being fired. >> can they get their act

and cnn political director david chalian. maggie, you heard that reporting. would seem to underscore why the fbi is investigating coordination between the trump campaign and russians. >> i think two things are happening. that information suggests there is a basis for what the fbi is doing, why they are trying to get to what was at the heart of these contacts. we still don't know what they were. also the second piece of it is that as you have sort of a chess game going on where you have nunes from the house committee, the republican chairman tell reporters today there is some intelligence that suggests that trump campaign aides maiy have been intercepted by ways that president trump said, president obama. now the russia aspect. the russian question remains unsolved. it is still not clear what we're looking at, the skoem. we know the figures involved and they were looking at communications and travel it sounds like in meetings which we basically knew. but this is becoming a low-grade fever that shows no sign of breaking for this administration. and that's very

. >> david chalian, if the president of the united states is now telling the speaker don't hold this vote you're going to lose, pull the vote, it sounds like a done deal. >> it sure does. and we are going to hear from speaker ryan at 4:00 p.m. and curious whether president trump has something to come out and say something about this. just stepping back -- i know we are following every little development of what's happening throughout the day but it is astounding to me that president trump and speaker ryan are now going to have to speak and address the country about why become is going to stay in place why that is going to remain the law of the land despite a decade of promises to get rid of it >> or, or, why they postponed it a short term. we were sitting here yesterday about this time when a senior white house official made it very clear that the president was laying down the law there was an ultimatum you were going to have a vote, that's the way donald trump does it. and now, it seems to me that the house republicans seem to be almost more afraid about losing than the president. y

landscape in the last 15 minutes, senior political analyst mark preston and cnn's political director david chalian joining me now. there's a lot to get to. let's start with sally yates. you have the top democrat on intel raising questions about what went on there, because she sought permission, could she not have gotten it? difference of opinion of what she should or shouldn't have discussed, we'll leave that to jeffrey toobin. looking at the timeline, what is devin nunes as the chairman's role in all of this? >> again, totally unclear right now because he hasn't been very open about what he learned and where he's going to go with it. in fact, we talk about how a lot of democrats are upset with devin nunes, but here are quotes from three republicans this morning. john mccain, speaking of chairman nunes -- "he has a lot of explaining to do." susan collins, another republican senator -- "i believe our senate investigation has more credibility than the house." senator lindsey graham on another network says "i think he has to repair the damage. my belief is that the house is off track and probably can

. >> all right, david chalian, very strong words you heard from the congressman, not just 21. he thinks there may be 40 or 41 republicans who are ready to vote nay. >> no love lost there for the leadership of this party. >> no. >> whatsoever. this is why i think it's so critical, though, listening to congressman masse. if they can't get this volt done tomorrow, i think they're going to be in a real world of perk here. i don't see how it gets done because it's going to be death by a thousand cuts of this kind of talk and, so, i think that's why you see so much pressure right now coming from the white house, saying it's happening tomorrow, trying to will it with their words when clearly they still don't have the votes. and i'm not sure they're closer. they might be moving further away. >> once you get fractured like this that's what happens. listen to how he just said that in a telling interview, wolf. he's talking about repealing obamacare. the imperative of fiscal conservatives is repeal obamacare. repeal and replace because paul ryan has moderates from parts of where obamacar

joining us uchis, gloria borger david chalian and the correspondent for the new yorker magazine, ryan lizza. is it enough, the little apology he gave, his fellow intelligence committee members today, devin nunes? >> well, we're going to have to see. honestly, i think that there were members of that committee on the republican side who believe that he acted in a very rash way. and there are democrats who believe he's now disqualified himself from being any kind of a person who ought to lead an impartial investigation. and there were republicans, i'm told, who were trying to stop him from going down to the white house with whatever information he had but that he felt he had to do it. he didn't listen to them. he didn't like the fact that adam schiff spoke for 15 minutes during the day of the comey hearing, and he felt he owed it to the white house to do this. now the democrats, and you heard nancy pelosi today call him a stooge and say what he was doing was just providing political cover for the white house. now republicans are going to try and raise money off of this feeling the presid

. >> i want to turn back to wiretapping and david chalian is now joining us. as sean spicer was speaking, mitch mcconnell was up on hill echoing the same, which is they don't have any information that what the president accused president obama of doing ordering a wiretap of president obama is accurate. >> and apparently that's a real sore point with the president who wanted republicans to rush to the

. >> this idea, david chalian, the president was suckered in, i think brit hume, one of our friends at fox news, said this paints a picture of paul ryan as this svengali character and president trump an a duchdult. why would they put that forward? >> kellyanne conway just stated this was ryan's bill. this is trying to -- >> he wrote it with tom price, the secretary of the department of health and human services. >> i think in a larger picture here, his 100-day mark is upcoming now. it's not just this that is a complete body blow and a real failure in the administration. here's paul ryan. >> here's house speaker paul ryan. let's listen up. >> you've all heard me say this before. moving from an opposition party to a governing party comes with growing pains and, well, we're feeling those growing pains today. we came really close today, but we came up short. i spoke to the president just a little while ago and i told him that the best thing i think to do is to pull this bill and he agreed with that decision. i will not sugar coat this. this is a disappointing day for us. doing big things i