let's bring in cnn political commentator errol louis, david chalian and cnn political analyst david gregorygry, do we think for all the ugliness here, we may also have a moment of clarity? do we now know where president trump's head is, that he is all in with his base, so much so that, of course, he'll attack us for reporting his own words? that's easy, we know that. going after graham, going after flake. he needs these two men to get his agenda passed. he might need these two men to save him from any kind of political test of his legitimacy that comes up. he needs the votes. yet, he's attacking them in deference to his base. >> i think this is a moment of clarity. even by trump's standards, we've reached an extraordinary time in this young presidency where there are real questions about president trump's judgment, his temperament and his fitness to lead as president of the united states. i'm not sure the moment of clarity is about any particular label, although what is significant about the past few days is that white supremacists think they have an ally in the white house that is reprehen

. >> let me turn to cnn political director david chalian. you know, this is interesting, one of the points that was made before about this being a family issue, but when you think of the initial desire of transparency and you think of jared kushner, who wanted to put it all out there, why, then, did jared kushner allow his father-in-law, slash, boss to, according to "the washington post," erroneously dictate this statement. >> i think it's one of the big question marks hanging over this whole story, how is it possible that jared kushner, who, remember, this whole episode of this meeting, this additional meeting, additional contact with the russian, came up because of jared kushner's discovery process with his legal team in anticipation of testifying before the house and senate intelligence committee and clarifying his application for security clearance. right? so he goes back. he finds this. he knows of the e-mails existence. he knows the entire chain of events. even if he didn't recall the meeting, the outset, he knows it now, so as you ask

let's get the bottom line from david chalian. david, i'm interesting in that fire and fury comment. because it did seem as though it was very deliberate. the president delivered it twice. it was very deliberate. how -- why do we believe that it wasn't -- that he and bannon didn't work that out beforehand? >> we believe what our sources are telling us, which is that if -- while the idea of having a strong response was a planned strategy, his exact words were chosen off-the-cuff and the notes in front of him were about the opioid crisis, which is what the event was about, that he was doing. so the words themselves were we're being told, were indeed the president's own choosing and off-the-cuff. but you are right, there was a strategy for a very muscular, strong response. i think the specific words that he used is what caused tillerson and mattis to come in the day after and try to get it back into the box of not just rhetoric, but what does this mean towards policy. >> but what does it mean towards policy? what we're getting now is, well, it doesn't have to mean military. it doesn't h

let's bring in cnn political director david chalian, cnn political analyst karoun demirjian and davidregory is back with us. david, we thought paul manafort was cooperating, and the news they raided his home looking for things now. >> look, this is an aggressive sign that's coming to light about who they're interested in and perhaps what they're interested in. we know who paul manafort is in this story, someone who had a financial relationship with russia because of the nature of the political work he was doing. so, if you're investigating financial contacts, potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia, you're going to be looking at paul manafort, looking at documents that may prove that relationship, and it may be an indication that these were documents that were not forthcoming, that he was not cooperating on some aspects of this. it always gets difficult to try to piece together these investigative elements and put it into a larger frame, but that's all we have to go on at the moment, that provides a strong indication of the financial nature of the investigation. >> a

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david chalian. >> a rant. >> thank you very much. the former director of national interrogation james clapper, dire words saying he is concerned about his fitness for office. he do the believe he's fit for office. concerned that such a person who exhibits that behavior has access to the nuclear codes and is you know, possibly going to have some sort of retaliation against kim jong-un. >> it's one thing when we hear politicians you know, democrats obviously have a lot of knee jerk opposition to the president. we've seen more and more republicans coming out politically and making argues of and ments and concern against the president. if that doesn't make the hair on the back of your neck stand up when the former director of national why is saying his assessment of the president of the united states is one of concern because of his access to the nuclear codes and how his behavior matched with that responsibility, raises concern in him, i sort of stood back listening to clapper. >> i looked at you. >> i know director clapper has been mak

>> david chalian. do away with the word resignation. perhaps offered a piece of paper. like saying, doing this to spend more time with his family. he's out because the president wanted him out and the president's chief of staff thought this was part of the process of bringing order to this west wing and more discipline to this west wing. john is exactly right. exactly what we discussed when reince priebus was fired, who also said he resigned. when shown the door, the same thing. all of a sudden something dramatically changes? no. the man who sits in the oval office is the same. getting rid of somebody who is affiliated ant associated with white ideology, run as website folks from the alt right find comfort and -- >> used to. although may be going back. we'll see. yes, used to do that. it's probably a good thing for donald trump to do politically this week. though not sufficient. he still has his comments out there from tuesday that are lingering out there where he created the more's equivalency between the counterprotestors and the kkk and neo-nazis. donald trump still

david chalian, good to see you. what do you make of that question?hought it was it is most eye-popping number in the poll, quite frankly. this gets to the reality that we have not yet seen, an external crisis hitting this white house, and if you have that kind of credibility gap -- i mean, that is the trump trust deficit with the american people, that becoming a much stiffer, tougher challenge for the president when indeed he needs to communicate hugely important things to the american people. >> david, it's interesting to dive in and look at the issues, issue by issue. what he gets the highest marks on are the national security and the economy. the lowest marks are health care. obviously, that did not work. taxes, which i guess americans under are inexorably linked to the health care plan. foreign affairs. middle class, whether or not he's looking out for the middle class, immigration, then again the highest marks on the economy and national security. what are your thoughts? >> even the economy, you know, it's close, but he's under water there. and,

joinings us, david chalian and white house reporter for bloomberg news, shannon pennypiece. me get specifically, the president tweeted, david, his base is stronger than ever. is that backed up by the polls? >> no. there's not actually -- i can't find shred of evidence. didn't just say stronger than ever. he said getting bigger and stronger. growing. i cannot find evidence in any poll, reerchcent poll, that sho his base is actually growing. now, he pointed out in his tweets, wolf, to rallies in pennsylvania and iowa and ohio and west virginia. clearly he still have robe but rallies with enthusiastic supporters. i'm not sure if they're growing bigger and stronger than the campaign. i really don't know what the evidence is to back up that claim. >> what do you think about the exchange with senator blumenthal? going after -- not the first time he's done it. clearly the president was watching cnn's "new day," senator blumenthal a guest. angry about what he heard from blumenthal and then launched into this attack. >> let me answer two ways. first as a father with two children who

. >> let's get perspective now from david axelrod, david chalian, and michael dantonio. ary to hear from director clapper openly questioning president trump's fitness to serve after last night. he's served both democrats and republicans and was the head of the dia. >> yeah. look, that was a stunning analysis by director clapper, who i have known, i've watched him in government, and he's got a stellar record, not a partisan, calling into question the president's fitness for office, particularly invoking the nuclear codes, which has been a concern of some for a long time. and i suspect that he was echoing private concerns that he's heard among national security and intelligence people. the only reservation i have about this, anderson, one of my concerns about the president is he's been so reckless about delivering these hammer blows to our democracy, to the legitimacy of the courts, the congress as a co-equal branch of government, to the news media, i think we have to be very careful when we leave these heavy inferences out there that suggest somehow something should be don

jointing me now, cnn political director david chalian. i would say ma strikes you most, but i would suppose that's it. >> and it's so interesting, that number you just cited that presents new challenges for getting your legislative agenda through. republicans are not fearful of you on capitol hill if their own voters are feeling that they can't always trust what is coming out of the white house. it creates a lot of complications. never mind of effect the overall number you showed not trusting, that's a huge trust deficit. that is the credibility gap we so often talk about that trump has with the american people. this is a credibility gap, we have pointed out time and time again what he's said that have proven to just be false. let's talk about the honesty and trust worthy numbers as well. that's another area where he's falling. >> take a look at this. 60% of americans say he is not. 36% say he is. his supporters would say this doesn't concern us so much, this attribute about the president, because he wasn't deemed trust worsty back in the

the david chalian, how big is this? >> is what i think steven miller was doing there when he did sort of push aside that larnler values conversation that jim acosta was trying to engage him on, he was saying, no, no, no we are putting this national agenda first. this is it part of how we see america first and what that means. it's in policies like this. this, again, as with so many things, time and again in the last six and a half months with this administration, i always scratch my head and say what is it, where, here are they trying to appeal to 50 % plus one? where are they trying to bring in a majority of the country to their position? time and again i think this administration fails that test. the you can keep up with rhetoric and policies that are geared at what 33% may like, but then you are going to go down in history as a failed president. the. >> panel thank you very much for all of your perspectives. >>> another big move, the president signing the sanctions bill into law but then he said, but it's unconstitut

>> i do want to bring in david chalian, our political director. david, you initial candid response to what we just heard from president trump? >> my initial, candid response is that this was a president that has lost touch with the country he represents. it's that simple. he is not by returning to his comments on saturday, after going through the process of getting all those words in the teleprompter for monday and clean it up, saturday was his initial instinct and revealed himself. today revealed himself further to the american people and he is just clearly not in sync with where the country is overall on these issues, having nothing to do with ideology, not left, right. this is just not things to be equated. there aren't multiple sides into neon neo-naziism. the president's instinct is to get out there and continue to dig a hole for himself. while you see that he has not -- there is not anything he has done in the seven months of his presidency to expand his reach to represent a majority of americans. he continues to dig a hole deeper and sort of

so we turn to cnn political director david chalian.avid chalian, we talked about, it feels like it's been a year. it's just been weeks since the reince leaving, the scaramucci, now we have bannon. at the end of the day, the president is the president. i mean, do you foresee some major change? >> reporter: yes, summer fridays have a whole different meaning for this white house, brooke. you know, obviously, a president does put a team around him and that has impact and changing the team could have impact, but just like you and i discussed on the day that reince priebus was out, the man in the oval office is not changing, and much of what we have seen over these last seven months are donald trump's instincts as president, donald trump serving as his own chief of staff, his own communications director, and so none of that is likely to change. what this does do is perhaps give john kelly, the new chief of staff, a bit more running room to really fill out a team and bring some order and discipline without having some vestiges left over who t

we want to bring in cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein, cnn political director david chalian and politico.com senior washington correspondent anna palmer. great to see all of you. ron, let's dive into the numbers and get into the nitty-gritty of these numbers. i know that's your specialty. what jumps out at you? his approval rating is at its lowest, gone down from 40% in june to now 33%. but there's all sorts of other interesting nuggets in here. what do you see? >> the quinnipiac poll is at the low end of what we've seen, but all moving in the same direction and all in the same ball park. what's striking, alisyn, here, not only the overall deterioration, but the deterioration among the groups that have been central to his victory in 2016 and electoral commission. in the quinnipiac poll he is net negative among non-college whites, the group that gave him a higher share of their vote that they gave to any i understand cat since ronald reagan in 1994, also net negative to older americans, when you look at both of those groups what you see is a significant increase in the strong

i want to get some analysis from our specialist, david chalian. let me start with you. this is a defining moment of the trump presidency. i think that is without a doubt no matter what happens donald trump left that elevator and walked behind the lectern and equated naziism with other things and chose not to once again completely denounce this. that means we are in a whole new world. you and i spend our lives as reporters frying to get every side of the story, speaking to people on all sides of political controversies. that does not apply here. this is not left. this is not right. this is not a typical political debate even though it deals with the president of the united states. this is a president who has lost touch with the american people. this will be a defining moment of this presidency. >> as i said, it was a totally marked contrast of what we heard only yesterday. >> it is clear that the president was force fed what he had to sayed. instead, what we heard on saturday was the real donald trump. he has been chafing about this. he wanted -- he doesn't want to admit

joining me is david chalian and mark preston. and political commentator scott jennings, former special assistant to president george w. bush. good to see all of you gentlemen. david, you've got the goods. i'll start with you. a brand-new cnn polling out tonight. just 38% approve of president trump's handling of the presidency. that's the lowest, as i said, in our polling ever. what do you have? >> it is indeed. that's sort of the big report card number you just mentioned, don. i want to dig in a little bit but it's worth noting that this is not just the lowest in cnn but low historically for a president in the modern era at this point in the presidency. but we wanted to see where was the most passionate response. strongly approve, only 24%, right here. look at the strongly disapprove, 47%. we look at where the most fervent response is. by a two to one margin, it's with the disapproval. and then we look of course at republicans. because this is the president's own part sarngs don. take a look at this. this is republicans only, how

want to bring gloria borger, jeffrey lord, bakari sellers, david chalian. if this is not chaos in the west wing, what is? >> it is, it's chaos. >> i'm wondering if it may not feel like chaos for president trump. i think this is how he operates. he's used to it. i'm sure for everybody else around, he's like the eye of the hurricane. >> to general kelly it, probably felt like chaos. i'd like to have been privy to the conversation that the general had with the president before he decided to take this job because when you wear four stars on your shoulder, you're used to chain of command. and i think that kelly saw what scaramucci, let's put the vol garrett and all that aside. let's talk about what he said. he threatened to fire people and talked about a direct line to the president and i think that was pretty much untenable. i was told by a source today who spoke with the president that he believed scaramucci was grandstanding. that was the word used to me. remember, trump called comey a show boat. he doesn't like that. he doesn't like that. this source said to

david chalian, what's going on? >> well, that's a good question, brooke.ill surprise no one watching that donald trump and an establishment republican like the majority leader mitch mcconnell do not see eye to eye on everything. that will surprise no one. and we saw what just happened in the senate with health care when mitch mcconnell and donald trump, as a team, were unable to get through the health care repeal and replace bill, so obviously, the finger pointing you all saw began right after that bill went down. what we're seeing here is in response to mitch mcconnell's comments yesterday when he was back home in kentucky and he talked about how the president is sort of new to this business, doesn't fully understand the legislative process, perhaps had unrealistic expectations of how fast things can get done. this morning, the social media director for president trump was out there tweeting back at mcconnell, pushing back, saying, hey, what, you need another four years after you had seven years to repeal and replace and it seems now his boss, the preside

joining mu know cnn political director david chalian, and alex burns is with me. also dana bash is with us. the allegations in this argue are categorically false. he goes on. the american people know i could not be more honored to be working side by side with the president, whatever fake news may tum our way, my entire team with continue to focus all our efforts to advance the agenta. any suggestion otherwise is both laughable and absurd. your response to the vice president's response to you? >> well, allegations is a strong word for what was in that story. no one accused mike pence of a crime. what we did report is that the vice president, along with a number of other folks in the republican parties are laying the groundwork for potential campaigns of their own in case the president doesn't or can't run. and i think what partly got under the administration's skin we have several divorce telling republican donors they're getting ready just in case. they didn't say they were going to challenge the president, but just in case. those are three charged words for this

david chalian is here, april ryan. scott jennings, bakari sellers, marie cardona and rick wilson. we will all listen to the president's speech and then analyze it but as he is coming to the stage, david, what are the chances that the president, president trump from last night on the teleprompter will show up? >> zero. what i do think we need to watch out for is the president trump that shows up tonight at this rally a venue he loves, feels at home in. does he bring any of the sentiment that he expressed? i get the theatrics will be different, it's a campaign environment, not a speech about afghanistan. as last night's was. all the talk he had at the top of the speech that alluded to charlottesville and trying to do clean-up work, the idea of unity and love and peace, does he bring that sentiment tonight or is this purely red meat for the base which for him has been exploiting divisions. >> god bless the usa is playing as the president enters the stage and is shaking hands of course, with the guests on the dias. and again, he's going to take to the podium in just moments as he is go

let's bring in the bottom line from cnn political director david chalian. go ahead.are your thoughts. >> good morning, guys. let's start with the tweet about the debt ceiling and paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. i think it's far more consequential and important. we still are watching republican intra party battle take place here. the fact that donald trump thinks it would be easy to just attach the debt ceiling increase to the va bill and it would be done reflects no the a complete understanding of the legislative process. as you guys know, it is the conservative wing of the republican party that paul ryan is needing to sort of wrangle to get their votes on various issues. that is usually been the ones demanding spending cuts, and other we form that is go in place in order to increase the debt ceiling, not just giving a clean increase of the debt ceiling. so there's an intra party battle that goes on among republicans and donald trump is sort of playing games with it as we're approaching a deadline about whether or not america will default on its debt. you hear mitch m

david chalian, those words from senator corker, how significant is that for someone who's not only a republican but from the white house criticizing the president? >> it is significant, but i think we're going to have to separate out the kind of significance. you just showed those poll numbers. republicans overall are still with this president out in the country. that doesn't make corker's break with him any less significant. it is incredibly significant. this is man who doesn't really delve into the daily political to-and-fro. he's very much a workhorse in the senate and he's using language we've not heard -- never mind the democrats but any party. the key thing that i think is so significant here is that we're two days after anderson, that press cob frensconference, and two days later that they're making these comments to me. if i'm president trump, i'm saying, i still have a problem to fix here. >> a lot of folks on capitol hill, republicans who tweeted about the -- about how bad nazis are or racism is never mentioned the president's name. you have these two questioning the presid

. >> david chalian, what do you think. his statement was quite trong today. he came out and hit the notes that i think the country was eager to hear from him on saturday. so i do think it begs the question, why was that not his initial instinct? what have we learned now fundamentally about the way that donald trump's world view is put into action as a part of the presidency of the united states of america? what did we see on saturday that this was not part of his initial instincts of how to respond, and that this only came after 48 hours of pressure from his fellow republicans, from the press, from critics, wherever he couldn't find comfort anywhere in what he had said saturday. he realized he needed to fix the problem, but fixing the immediate pr problem isn't answering the fundamental question about where his initial instincts were on saturday. >> nia, you heard the president say he addressed it. i want a supporter saying why is the media so fixated about this? and basically this and one woman has been killed, but, you know, that's just how one perspective.

. >> so, with me, cnn political director david chalian, former federal prosecutor is here and pam is with us as well. david, beginning with you, that sound byte, that was the red line that we referred to now, you know, where trump has drawn this line with regard to looking into his finances, and how he's pushing back on this investigation. but you know, you know pam's reporting is that, you know, they believe that this is part of the original mandate if there was illegal coordination of russian security forces in the campaign, these investigators say fair game. >> right. so as pamela's report included, the original language from rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general when he set up the special prosecutor and appointed mueller, clearly said anything that may arise through this investigation. it's such wide latitude. so in statute, in the way this was set up, there's really no red line. and then, the republicans on capitol hill that sat down with dana bash, susan collins and lisa murkowski, said very clearly, the president doesn't get to draw bob mueller's red lines. that's not how

so, let me begin with david chalian, our cnn political director, and david, just, you know, let's justtives rebuking him. how are you reacting to that? are you surprised? >> there are two different things i see happening here, brooke, that i find really interesting. one, that these executives are still doing so even after the president's attempt to sort of clean up saturday's remarks with his remarks yesterday, which were widely seen as stronger remarks, more hitting the right notes. but as these executives and their actions are pointing out, that doesn't erase what happened saturday. so, to me, it shows donald trump still has work to do, not just about these individual executives but still has work to do in terms of leadership moment in the country, because the one set of remarks on monday that he read from the white house yesterday doesn't erase the fact that what he neglected to say on saturday still caused a lot of pain for a lot of americans. that's one. the second thing, brooke, is, you got to remember what these ceos, they're mostly concerned -- i don't say this callously -- the

this and more, white house reporter for the "washington post" david and cnn political director david chalianbloomberg politics. are all of these clashes public and private with republicans one theme seems to be underlining so many of them -- the russia probe. >> yes. clearly the president is consumed by this. i don't blame him. if i was under investigation by a special counsel i'd be consumed also and it would weigh on my mind a lot. it's understandable what he seems incapable of doing, though, is, as aides talked about many months ago, try to dual track things, and wall the investigation off from the business of the white house and trying to pursue the agenda. donald trump doesn't seem capable of doing these walling offs, from these conversations. the other curious thing here is why is the president's attitude to these senators, you didn't protect me. or what are you doing with this bill that is ensuring i can't fire mueller? instead of, you can imagine in ultimate universe a president might say, hey, majority leader mcconnell, make sure this goes quickly, fairly, comes to clu s conclusion?

. >> let david chalian in. >> i think rick is making the point that is, scott, i agree with you. we saw a lot of this on the campaign trail. what i think we saw differently tonight and where i think it went off the rails is we see how much his negative news coverage is under his skin right now. to spend 20 minutes, he knows it was so clear watching him, he knows his comments over charlottesville over the last week and a half now have been problematic. >> he spent over 40 minutes on charlottesville. he spent over 40 minutes on charlottesville. >> he was still trying to clean it up today. yes, this time by bashing media and the coverage. he understands that is infecting his presidency. that was very clear tonight. >> go ahead, bakari. >> just from a 50,000 foot view talking about the speech, what the country needed right now was a presidential moment. what donald trump and his staff and whomever his strategists attempted to give us was a campaign moment. what they did, it made sense on its face. you put donald trump in his arguably best setting a campaign rally with all his support

. >> let's discuss with our chief political analyst gloria borger and cnn political director david chalian. gloria, this battle the president is having with mitch mcconnell. what's up with that? >> maybe jeff sessions feels good about that because he's off the griddle this time. look, i think the president feels there's no hell to pay for attacking mitch mcconnell. in our poll you were just talking about, we asked republicans who they -- their approval ratings of both trump and the republican leadership, and the approval rating for donald trump is about double what it is for the republican leadership. and republicans overwhelmingly do not blame -- they do not blame the president for all the problems that have occurred legislatively, and so -- this president believes he can attack republicans. he's attacked more than half a dozen of them, calling them quitter, because it works with this base. in the long term i would argue it might not work so well for him if trying to rally troops because they want to know they can trust him and he will have their back and it's career in what he's done to

. >> david chalian, how do you see how republicans in washington, in the senate, in the house are dealingiously there have been questions of fitness coming from the republicans. most notably senator corker. obviously he's a republican. and yet you have a lot of republicans who even in the wake of charlottesville are not calling out the president by name. >> you have to remember, anderson, going back to election day, a quarter of trump's voters didn't think he's fit for office and they voted for him anyway. i'm not sure bob corker's going to have some major sway with the rock-solid core of trump support. i do think it's instructive, though, to sort of look at, i think there's a difference between the way paul ryan and mitch mcconnell have been proceeding here. paul ryan is much more dependent for his own survival in his job, on the house freedom caucus, folks who go back home, and their voters, in their districts are all rock solid in their support for donald trump. that's a little different political calculus in the senate. we have seen it play out obviously when three members of his own

we begin tonight with david chalian. so 38% approval. not good news for this white house tonight. >> there's the big report card, 38%, not a good number at all. we dig in, we look at are people -- where is the strength of this response? in approval or disapproval? take a look here. 24% say they strongly approve. but 47% say they strongly disapprove. so the fervent feeling in this response is on the disapproval side from 2-1 there. then, of course, we take a look at republicans, how is the president doing amongst his fellow partisans? strongly approve. these are republican onlies, who say they strongly approve. in february, it was 73%. in march, it was 69%. and now in this poll tonight, 59% of republicans strongly approve of the president's job performance. anderson, this is a chink in the armor. >> people -- the poll also asks whether people trust what they hear from the white house. what did it find? >> this is the most astonishing number in the poll. 73% of americans only believe some or nothing at all in terms of what's coming out of

bring in our cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief jackie kucinich's david chalian and chiefanalyst gloria borger. strong words, once again. another day involves the republican leader in the senate. >> yes. it's a little odd. because it's exactly the way he went after jeff sessions. jeff sessions, of course, has his job. general kelly assured him of that, but the way he talks about mcconnell in the senate is what's most interesting to me. senate republicans are "they." mitch mcconnell is as if he is to blame for the failure in the senate. senate republicans to blame for the failure in the senate. this is a president distancing himself from failure, as if -- as if, wolf -- he had nothing to do with the process of trying to get health care reform passed. i understand why he's upset. for seven years they voted on this, and it was a ruse. right? it worked for them politically but didn't have a serious agreement on what to do. i understand his point there, but he is a part of this process. and if he had run with a plan, specifically on repealing and replacing, and what he would ha

. >> as you know, david chalian, the president's personal attorney jay sekulow on several occasions said wasn't involved in drafting that statement at all. today the white house said the president did weigh in. so, what does this tell you when it comes to russia about the messaging coming from this administration? >> well, some of the messaging is not truthful. so, that would be jay sekulow here. obviously he did not have the facts or he just willfully lied. let's assume he didn't have all the facts. i recall when sarah huckabee sanders was initially asked about this way back then, when, she didn't have the facts either and said she didn't know and would have to look into it. today she came with facts but not all the facts and that is what continues to be alarming about the way the white house is dealing with this story. this is a moment where they should marshal all the facts and put them out. and instead, even today, we get from sarah huckabee sanders this statement that she said the donald trump, jr. statement was completely accurate. well, no, because that is a sort of sin of omissio

with us to discuss, political dave chalian and jackie kucinich and john kirby as well. davidd through the transcripts. i've read them. your immediate reaction? >> the first thing that jumped out to me about the mexico phone call was that the president was not -- remember, he was president for eight days at the time i believe -- but the president was not arguing for mexico's payment of the wall in principle, clearly didn't want were him to talk about it in the press. so much more transparent than with the american people in his call with the mexican leader this was a political problem with him, is the veneer, the sheen put out about mexico playing for the wall, that is a big campaign rally line will be turned into a lie if mexico keeps refusing to do this. he wasn't arguing for the payment on principle. and, of course, it also made me wonder instantly, tonight he has a campaign rally in west virginia. what is he going to do with that line tonight? and is the crowd going to be around, a chant about mexico paying for the wall? >> every time the president said, at least don't tal