with david cockburn, the former member of the u. k. independent party on capital and independent activists and the k. you know, we need to, we need to be clear, the point that the catalog petitions, they agreed to the strategy that is to try to dialogue with the spanish state. that doesn't mean them imply that the catalan movement, the more money in favor is a strategy. because actually, many of us would think that go smith much to talk with somebody that doesn't recognize you as a nation and doesn't look right since 2017. when the one acceptance to stop the netherlands of colonial, i tried to stick with the same if nothing has been achieved, as i was saying, a country is 4000 citizens. i mean there's no job as a wretched patient. i mission and repression is a reality, is a concept that if it's happening a colonial european citizens at the moment, it's all going to be done on the basis. what's an interest of the italian government regarding the repeating unit and how much pressure is being who told them by the european union is not

we can talk to david cockburn, who's a former bricks party, and you give me a scholar. welcome back to our tea. what do you make of mr. put you to mom's arrest? well, i think it said exactly what, one of the reasons we left the european union. you had very little protection as a member of parliament, the parliament could take away your immunity whenever it wanted. so you know, you get no protection that is not the same as the united kingdom. you're protected in your cable, freedom of speech, the parliament. and they said, all the most important thing of all is the european promise should not be interfering in the internal affairs of spain. they've done it in britain by interfering with scotland and that to disgrace. i know the same things happening in spain. they should not be interfering in this. and also the other one is very, very dangerous. indeed, it just needs a magistrate to sign the thing off. you go, the things he was accused of. rebellion were not a crime in germany. they were not a crime in belgium. i don't believe so they're basically pumped up this, this ch