it's been a pleasure to visit with david crosby and david bender, coauthors of the book stand and be counted: making music, making history. i'm ken paulson, back next week with another conversation about the first amendment, the arts, and american culture. i hope you can join us then for speaking freely. captioning provided by the freedom forum first amendment center captioning by kristi at captionmax www.captionmax.com >> with my artists, eight of them are working in tehran, iran, the capital city, and one is an iranian american based in san francisco. the problem is really a collective exploration in the day and the life in tehran. it is the largest city in the middle east. for the gallery, one of the first pieces you see is one piece which is a laser-cut peace, it taken directly from the map of the city itself -- a laser-cut piece. it represents the geography of the city. it is positioned right next to another work by an artist who took a 77 taxicab runs and let the potholes and the city turns of tehran dictate how

be forwarded to the text, here is a recent performance from graham and david crosby. immigration forms big enough to keep me warm as long as you think you can you better watch out, watch out for the man anywhere you are going let me in immigration man ♪ tavis: you and david crosby. word of the street is you could neither confirm nor deny, but that the three of you are back in the studio? >> kind of, yes. we have been rehearsing. we did 66 shows last year in several countries. it is tough to get in the studio, but we're working on a project, yes. tavis: you think the world right now could use more protest songs, with all that is going on? how what might we be benefited in this era? mediahink the world's learned after vietnam that we cannot put body counts on television while people wrotwere eating their steak dinner. people got upset about it. you saw footage of dead soldiers. ever since vietnam, you have never seen that. you never sought in panama, granada, iraq. you cannot even photograph coffins at, flag draped, coming home. they have learned. but my point is protes

david crosby? >> the government has switched the indexiation of benefits and public sector pension from the retail price index to the lower consumer price index. but when it comes, they continue to use the higher retail price index. now, in the interest of fairness, how can the prime minister justify using the higher indexiation for petro. should they not at the very least use one or the other? >> if i could give the honorable gentlemen one tip which is writing out the question it's good to work out your party policy. the party is committed to increasing benefits by cbi rather than rpi. so he's backing on the policy rather than supporting it. >> recent work by the foundation has shown that britain has the lowest proportion of 16 to 18 years old studying mathematics of any of our competitor countries in the lecd. just as bad we have a chronic shortage of math teachers in our schools. what action is the government going to take on this issue? >> the honorable lady makes a very good point and produced

and there was a song brought to you by david crosby, when the the byrds would not record triad. so of course we wanna do that. which is a song about a threesome. is it tougher to get bandmates and others to write candid songs about sexuality? there are very few songs-- we've never had problems with sexuality. it's just sexuality run rampant. totally, the doors crashed down, as they needed to be and should have been. and a great grecian balance was struck, i think in my life, particularly, understanding sexuality, coming face-to-face with it, much less cowering in a corner like an irish washer maid about it. it was just a celebration and a joy. and even to this day, now i think it's our duty as well as those of you who want to take up the flag, to pursue joy and ecstasy and passion in life. because god knows there's precious little of it to be had just waiting for it. and so pursuing it and cutting your own path through a forest is something that we've had the luxury, again, of doing in san francisco without getting severely arrested or anything like that. you've gone out, after