david daley is the author of, you know, rats f if uc -- fuck, can i say that on the radio? at any rate, the true story behind the plan to steal american democracy. frequent lecturer in media source about the topic, he is the former editor-in-chief of salon.com and the former ceo and publisher of the connecticut news project. he's a digital media fellow at the wilson center for the human i thinks and the grady school of journalism at the university of georgia. his work has appeared in publications as well as appearance as a correspondent on cnn and npr. he helps identify the deep throat source for bob woodward and karl bernstein. you know, if i was writing this myself, i might have tucked that in a little earlier, not buried the lead there. at any rate, chris krist novoses a founding member of the group anywhere van that. his first book, grunge and government: let's fix this broken democracy, features his musical path as well as his support of electoral reform and his belief in the need to clean up politics overall. daley's book "unrigged: how americans are battling back to

. >> and david daley, author of why your vote doesn't count and the upcoming book unrigged, how americansattle back of democracy. >> i'm a citizen of cherokee nation, a journalist and host of the podcast "this land" and i'm really, really excited to dig into this conversation in the next hour. i think it's more important now than ever. i think in this moment of a global pandemic we are seeing the systemic failures of our government right now. you know, sort of all of the cracks that were existing are more apparent than ever and i think a lot of us have our eyes on this upcoming election, if that election is going to be a solution or make the problem worse. so, steve, i i'll direct the first question to you. a lot of democrats have seen a singular focus on beating donald trump in november. there's a lot of debate whether or not those efforts should be voted on-- or should be focused on converting trump voters, working class white voters over to the democratic side or increasing turnout or people of color voting democrat. what is the strategy? >> all of the empirempirecal da people of color

. >> and david daley, the upcoming book, unrigged. ks for joining us, david. >> pleasure to be here. hi, everybody. >> my name's rebecca nagel, i'm a journalist and host of a podcast, this land, and i'm really, really excited to be digging into this conversation over next hour -- the next hour because i think it is more important now than ever. i think, you know, in this moment of a global pandemic, we are seeing the systemic failures of our government right now. you know, sort of all of the cracks in the system that were already existing are more apparent than ever, and i think a lot of us have our eyes on this upcoming election and if that election going to be a solution or make the problem worse. so, steve, i'll direct the first question to you, you know, with a lot of democrats -- [audio difficulty] singular focus on beating donald trump in november, there's a lot of debate about whether or not those efforts should be voted -- or should be focused on converting trump voters, working class white voters over to democratic side or inc