david david i mean you know we shouldn't be surprised that these countries after suffering under these dictatorships supported by the west i'd like to point out that actually want to turn to islam and just say look you get get this give these islamic parties a chance at least give them a chance well i think there is a risk of kind of oversimplifying what is islamism there's a tendency you know even among people who specialize in the subject to to look at islam where's your force revolution anti western ism in-door they dismiss it as simply a political for phenomenon and really distressing and though we don't have to take concern about it if you you know social and economic and political reforms or address you can be addressed by anybody in the islamic parties will evaporate once people are satisfied with their social economic well being what i think is very important and we see this phenomena certainly in tunisia i think as well in egypt and probably in libya as well. on the whole despite the fact that the arab spring is a revolution these are very conservative societies they don't want the kind of let me just let me jump in here we're run out of time we're going to come we'll come back we're going to short break ok after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the future of democracy in the arab world today with r.t. . if you. want. a very warm welcome to you this is your news today protesters on the wall street center they have to. leave these intensely good chance of a truce isn't a good look for example the status of the human experiment is exploding with. problems in this rap music or deep snows to a military trying to make sense of global economy and its arcane trends and as financial temple sees a little research clambering to maintain our confidence in markets and being on the primitive wants to be seen trade imbalances recession look to the nations close to collapsing a sub prime loan foreclosed homes. to fail switchblade banks again feel level i think is a us crash and imminent smash the ceiling. is it like to finish oxygen in st the sports stadium just programs increase the term economy. the so. who's. to. say. welcome back to cross talk i'm about to remind you we're discussing the prospects of democracy in the arab world. and you can see. ok i'd like to go back to david in jerusalem here steve i think that you know how do you look at tunisia as being a model because isn't it really for the with the rest of the arab awakening or is it a good precedent or is it a an aberration it's very specific it's a smaller population there's not as much ethnic differences there and it's much more homogeneous they were much more liberal before the bin. dictatorship eccentrics cetera my point is how much is to nisha a model. a compass for the future. well it probably isn't much of a model for either many of the reasons you suggested and you know you economically tunisia has performed relatively well there seems to be a solid class of people we would probably define is. you know a western audience and i think we saw that in the election results there wasn't any it was as everybody has pointed out conducted freely fairly without any chaos or violence and even though the islamic parties are not that took forty percent of vote should point out the other two thirds or six

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david david i mean you know we shouldn't be surprised that these countries after suffering under these dictatorships supported by the west i'd like to point out that actually want to turn to islam and just say look you get get this give these islamic parties a chance at least give them a chance well i think there is a risk of kind of oversimplifying what is islamism there's a tendency you know even among people who specialize in the subject to to look at islam bears you will force revolution an anti western ism in-door they dismiss it as simply a political for phenomenon and really distressing and though we don't have to take concern about it if you your social and economic and political reforms or address you can be addressed by anybody in the islamic parties will evaporate once people are satisfied with their social economic well being what i think is very important and we see this phenomena certainly in tunisia i think as well in egypt and probably in libya as well. on the whole despite the fact that the arab spring is a revolution these are very conservative societies they don't want the kind of let me just let me jump in here we're run out of time we're going to come we'll come back to the people who are going to be short break ok after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the future of democracy can the arab world stay with r.t. . six. six. six. six. six. six six. welcome back to crossfire i'm about to remind you we're discussing the prospects of democracy in the arab world. to. say. ok am i to go back to david in jerusalem here do you think i think that you know how do you look at tunisia as being a model because isn't it re. really for the rest of the arab awakening here is it a good precedent or is an aberration it's very specific it's a smaller population there's not as much ethnic differences there but it's much more homogeneous they were much more liberal before the bin. dictatorship eccentrics center my point is how much is to nisha a model. a compass for the future. well it probably isn't much of a model for either many of the reasons you suggested and you know you economically tunisia has performed relatively well there seems to be a solid class of people we would probably define is. you know a western audience and i think we saw that in the election results there wasn't any it was as everybody has pointed out conducted freely fairly without any chaos or violence and even though the islamic parties knocked it took forty percent of those you point out the other two thirds or sixty pe

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also, where is david? david should be in this. >> that remains a mystery. i now know the name of my other great grandmother. he was born at the end of slavery in 1865 in rural north carolina. although i did not know her and i do not have a picture of her, she looks like a heck of a woman on paper. >> she can read and write as both a for older daughters can. her children, including the ones working in the farm, are attending school. she owns her home, free and clear. it is not mortgaged and it is a house, not a farm. >> i have more than i ever had before. >> every time you find a clue, there is one more clue. something to peace everything together. >> i started this journey knowing many of these faces and with the help of ancestry.com, i certainly have a clearer picture of who i am. >> thank you. if they do to the falls of ancestry.com for their help. she is now looking at her mother's side of the family, which dates back more than 100 years in baltimore. >> now your instant forecastle. >> rain coming to an end in time for the holiday weekend. beginning tomo

david? >> all right, bazi, thank you. i want to bring in wtrish regan. and you were saying the numbers will make a good headline. but there's a large unknown out there. >> reporter: you're right, david. will this shopping continue throughout the rest of the holiday season? i mean, these numbers were great. it showed consumers had a lot of pent up demand. but a lot of that was because there were huge discounts. as we move forward over the next several weeks, will they continue to spend? if they do, it's great news for the economy. but if they don't, this is a one-hit wonder. >> we'll be watching that. and watching the markets tomorrow morning. we talked about the numbers last week. the worst thanksgiving week since 1942. down 564 points. what is the market concerned about right now? >> reporter: europe, really being held hostage by any bit of news that comes out of there. we were concerned about greece, now everyone is concerned about italy and will italy be able to make its debt payments? italy says it can be there's no confidence out there investors don't believe it and that's why it's affecting things here at home. >> all right, trish, thank you. >>> we're going to move to the millimeters of holiday travelers returning home. and this is the busiest travel dale of the year. take a look at this live tracker tonight, the planes in the skies over this country right now. always something to see there. so many people on their way home, with full stomachs, right? let's bring in abc meteorologist ginger zee. we watched you on "gma" this morning, you talked about this system most concerning to you. where is it right now? >> reporter: it's stretching from eastern michigan, this thing hasn't moved much today. it's going northerly instead of easterly. heavy rain and wind could be a problem. atlanta, i think, is the next hub that could see some issues. so, we wanted to share where we anticipate flight delays. you can see the red planes, those are problem spots. >> and you are following the highways tonight? >> reporter: highways, i'm looking at twitter and facebook fields, people are saying parking lot on i-80 east of chicago. also through birmingham. i-65 is going to be a disaster due to this ginger zee, great tu on board. >>> and tonight, a surprising endorsement from an influential new hampshire newspaper. let's bring in our senior washington editor rick klein tonight. rick, great to have you with us. i know you read this first thing this morning. here is the quote from the "union leader." we would rather back someone with whom we may sometimes disagree than one who items us what he theirs he want to hear. how does mitt romney receive this? >> reporter: david, this is a gut shot aimed right at mitt romney and it could be what keeps newt gingrich in the top tier to stay. it's not that one newspaper in new hampshire picks presidents. "the union leader" has a spotty record on that front. but this validates the things gingrich has been doing to vault himself into contention. no one is better positioned to be the main alternative to romney than gingrich. >> movement in iowa, a group meeting right now? >> reporter: that's right. there's a group trying to strategize who isn't mitt romney. this opens the door for another candidate to waltz through. romney wants to win early and afternoon but if voters want to go behind a single candidate, this fight could last awhile. >> rick klein, thank you. >>> and we turn overseas this evening, and to escalating tension between the u.s. and its troubled ally, pakistan. tonight, nato is ordering an investigation into the deaths of pakistani soldiers in a nato air assault. pakistan claimed it was unprovoked but

david david that's very that's that's you know very. dishonest is too strong a word but you and i both know that if somebody is earning fifteen or twenty thousand dollars a year in capital gains that they're going to pay no capital gains tax just as they would pay no income tax that they're you know there if somebody is living in poverty that's a you know capital capitalist gains taxes are progressive taxes just like income taxes are so you're saying that people who earn their living with money should pay a lower tax rate than people who earn their living by working well and remember a lot of the people who make their money work for them also work these are employers not i never has my question a curse and it's not right to kick them square in the butt too because you want more of their money so the government can just waste it willy nilly all you're saying that they all government operatives play out as a race should pay a higher tax rate than a guy who's making money with many money on wall street like john paulson made four billion dollars last year and paid seventeen percent john paulson pay a hell of a lot more taxes than a policeman or teacher pay seven and that's a much lower rate than that and i'll hazard oh ok. well sourced same percentage of a big pile is a lot more than a little bit of money and we both know that david robinson thanks a lot for being with us thank you and thanks to your list viewing audience and selling like. crazy alert don't forget your workout underwear a new invention out of japan allows people to burn calories while just wearing their underwear and calorie shaper as a new infomercial product being sold across japan that is literally a pair underpants built with a honeycomb spring that offers calorie burning resistance while people are doing everyday tasks like walking getting up out of chairs or working around the office or doing this odd little choreographed dance. so the how do you see. looks. over the moon. on you. tube when it comes.

where is david? david should be in this. >> i now know the name of my other great-grandmother. was born inews rural north carolina. she looks like a heck of a woman on paper. >> she can read or write. her children are working on the farm with her and are attending school. she owns her home free and clear meeting it is not mortgage and to take a house not a farm. >> i have more than i ever had before. >> every time you find a clue, there's one more clue. >> i have a clearer picture of who i am. lisa robinson, wbal-tv 11 news. >> just fascinating. leeson wants to thank ancestry.com -- least once to thank -- lisa wants to thank ancestry.com. this is 83 at padonia road. traffic is very light. folks are probably already parked at the malls. >> now traffic pulse 11 and insta-weather plus together. >> time to take a look at your morning commute. on 795, and looks pretty good at franklin ball for. southbound traffic is problem free. -- on franken boulevard. the promise will be around the malls. -- on franklin boulevard. mall traffic will be heavy until noon today. 50 at sandy point at

david david has just articulated i think the point here is that you know tunisians going forward are going to have to you know. decide what type of society they want to construct and one of the great things about what's happening today's for the first time they can actually have that opportunity to engage in the important public debates intellectual exchange is democratic bargaining and negotiation that all emerging democracies have to go through in order to develop a broad consensus on the basic norms and values of what constitutes a just society there's a lot of you know things that have to be reconciled there's a lot of different ideological currents but that will hopefully take place nonviolently will take place in a free and fair media will take place in a democratic parliament and and that's how you know every society that is democratic has gone through these phases tunisia is experiencing its first democratic moment and i think we have to be a little bit patient here i think we have to be supportive of creating strong civil society supporting basic principles so that tunisians can have the right to exercise self-determination ok if it's go back to this i mean it is your political party and congratulations on your victory do you feel you have to placate western concerns about the nature of the islamic nature of your political party and what kind of society you want to make. as i said you know our program is mostly addressing china's unions and we've made our program very clear we had an electoral program dealing with the political social economic and cultural fields which is very detailed and was published in arabic english and french and is available online it has reassurances fall for for for investors for years primarily but also for others we will maintain we hope to maintain good relations with our mean traditional part of us europe and to advance that status further but also to diversify our relations with the rest of the world. is to have a parliamentary system that distributes and balances powers on a wide scale as i said in our party are concerned about. and regarding a model for the other countries which are not to want to put you out and each country has its circumstance circumstances and its. peculiar conditions and history however we believe that there are many similarities between the countries of the region and that's why the revolution intern as you did inspire similar revolutions around the region or obviously. different parts however we believe that we hope the mean point that will inspire others around the region is that we need to move away from divisions. in our societies are diverse and they will always be diverse however we need to rise above those differences accept them and focus on the immense challenge of our country and it is possible to work together you've mentioned the difficulties about working together and we're working together is possible between urgent ideological parties however we've had this in the past in chin is your for instance we've seen for movement which brought together another movement with a communist party within. bossy with liberal policies and they've managed to work together in its opposition to the need to share but they've managed to elaborate a vision for the society they want and there is much common ground on which we can let me let me let me jump in here because there's a word that's used a lot in the west and sharia law ok and islamic law david if i can go to you i mean this is what's always brought up is that when you had the national transition council in libya they said they will respect this type of religious law and then we also have it and tunisia where this is going to be in play here and there are different variations forms flavorings you know you can go from country to country but the country that has it the most severe version of it is saudi arabia but they don't get a whole lot of criticism do they but that's correct. the fact is that islamic law is subject to a great deal of interpretation and a great deal of i'm going to be very candid fudging the words it's one thing to say we're imposing islamic laws on the thing to say will be inspired by islamic law will refer to islamic law when making our civil code use saudi arabia is not a particularly good role model donnelly because they observed. an understatement thanks to rid of a strict form of they're not an understatement there. absolutely. so i don't think you k

had some discussions about killing david shannon, that her mother had attempted to poison david shannon, that joan shannon and elizabeth shannon had conspired to kill david and actually was elizabeth that had shot him that night. >> a conspiracy? joan the brains, elizabeth, the brawn? given the tumultuous relationship between the mother and daughter, who would think they could agree on anything, let alone murder. but said vera, that's the story elizabeth told her and it implicated her best friend and joan shannon in a homicide. >> arrest warrants went out for both of them simultaneously. joan shannon was arrested actually before elizabeth was arrested and before elizabeth gave any statement in the case. >> david shannon's family was in fayetteville for the funeral, right there when the cops came, saw what happened. joan was paralyzed with grief. then arrested? >> they put cuffs on her. i imagine they read her her rights right then, but i don't know. it was another shock. >> joan herself was unshakeable in her insistence she did not do it. she had no part. she swore in any of it. >> i may not be clear on that night. there's a lot i can't be clear on, but

okay, david. david herbert, thank you for the latest on the ongoing debate. nina. >>> speaking of traveling and travel delays, they are delaying canceling flights over western europe. we have the latest on this. i-van, i was caught up in this myself. tell us how bad it is and how it swept e over the region so quickly. >> it did. not only as you point out. it impacted london city and an ongoing issue for western europe. i don't think today as bad as yesterday. thankfully, the last thing you need on a monday morning is a delay on the airport as a result of weather. a few cancellations early on. check with your carrier before you head to the airport. they have not closed. but a lot of flights were not getting in and out. that has been the case this morning. look at the visibility though. yesterday we were down to 0. we're at 3 kilometers right now. so not as dense and problematic so far this morning. take a look. we're not only talking problems up in the sky, but this is a pileup in germany there. over the weekend as you can see, as authorities are on scene ther

economy here offer his take is conservative commentator david sullivan david welcome back program hey thanks for having me it's always a pleasure david i'm thankful that you're showing up tonight and thanksgiving tomorrow i'm curious what your thankful for well. first of all i'm thankful to have been born in america in the greatest country in the world and i'm also thankful to be on your program because it gives us an opportunity to engage in some spirit to discourse thank you thank you that's. there president obama said the people opposing his payroll tax cut extensions are grinches so why do you want to be a grinch your christmas or holiday season well by my very nature i am a grinch but that now would standing i don't think we should extend these payroll tax rates i think we should permanently lower them as i've said many times on your program we are already overtaxed additionally i think we should lower the corporate tax rate and increase our military spending i think we can cover a lot of this by slashing the non essential services that are just spending us broke i mean like food stamps. well i think there are abuses in a lot of

reporter: his partner learned a lot about david too. >> everyone loves having david around all the time. he's just a great entity in the room. >> reporter: with davidd kim now out, the five remaining team continue to fight for a spot in the finals. >> everybody has to step it up. we have to put in more time. now it's getting close. you have no idea who's going to go home and you have to make sure that every single dance you do, you do well in. >> it's not about being the best, it's about trying something and doing your best. >> we will try to show two different sides. >> for me, it steps up and now it becomes intense. >> reporter: now the final five teams move on to the competition which includes individual dance and an instant jive. >>> teen heartthrob justin beiber is getting unwanted attention after a 21-year-old woman in california filed a paternity charge. the story is not true. >> gorgeous day of fall weather around here. these are the things we have to enjoy. sunshine, temperatures not too cold. little frosty at day break. we take a wide look at baltimore. day is getting a little shorter. 61degrees out at the pair port. we have -- airport. h

david. david just mentioned to me that the redskins have not had a victory monday since october 3 in over a month. so, obviously they needed that extra day of practice. so, 24 hours removed from their loss to san francisco. we look at this redskins offense and they are ranked obviously near the bottom of the league. you have the winless colts behind them. you have cleveland and st. louis. not too many great teams behind them. what is going on with this offense that you saw yesterday? >> well, part of the problem, obviously, is the personnel. they were in a great offense earlier in the season. i think they really don't have a great idea of what they want to get done. kyle shanahan wants to throw the ball a lot. and seems to me there's a conflict. >> as you are looking, the same thing happened with joe gibbs. two different mind sets do not work when you get out there. and when the stress comes on, they don't know where to go. >> and john beck out there, numbers aren't getting any better. he still has zero in the win column. a lot of receivers, is he the guy they are going to stick with? >> for this week. if they lose, maybe they finally make a change. they could have this many turnovers, but might as well play rex grossman. >> this is a put up or shut up kind of week? >> mike shanahan saying they would have given him a first round grade. they are rethinking that. >> i want to get to mike shanahan, but first, i want to show you this picture on the front page of the washington post. a lovely picture of mike shanahan coming off the field. we're nit mist of a caption contest with our viewers. i want to get captions from you guys. davidou look at that picture, what comes to mind? >> i have to answer the question. >> probably all the players felt after their fourth straight loss. >> well, he is thinking, they are making me look bad again. >> they are making me look bad again. we'll have our viewer that has the winning caption in the 6:00, but that picture is so indicative of this season. just that sour look on his face. i mean, how much is he to blame what is going on? he hand picked a lot of these guys on the offense. >> it's not just losing. it's losing on his side of the ball. the thing he made his name on in denver and it's not working. >> i'll say he is at least 85% of the blame because like they said, he picked the people. he is aims the guy supposed to be the offensive guru and the offense is in the worst part of the team from the beginning up to this point. >> all right. now that we assessed what happened yesterday, it's time for the grades. time for you to grade the game and i have a feeling these are not goi

david, david keith with us, the national association to protect children. i think the obvious question here as we conclude this, what action can parents take, what action can people at home take? >> well, we have that on our website, protect.org. i want the people of pennsylvania and the rest of the people in this country to go to a website that we just got up and running, it's called lindakelly.org. it shows the position she's in, the position she's taken, and what she's not doing. hammer that website. lindakelly.org. >> davidfor your time. thanks for your work. i appreciate it so much. >>> karl rove loses it when he faces off against the 99%ers. he doesn't think they have the right to protest. i got a pretty important american document that karl can read. that's next. >>> and later, scary new evidence, it's there, folks. the middle class in this country is declining. you can't deny the numbers. we'll show you. >>> and in "psycho talk" tonight, bush's brain karl rove, a little testy, got hot under the collar when he takes on the 99%ers. you see, rove was spouting gop talking points during a speech at johns hopkins university when occupy baltimore folks interrupted him. >> karl rove! >> karl rove! >> is the architect -- >> is the architect -- >> the architect of occupy iraq. >> the architect of occupy iraq. >> you can go ahead and stand in the line and have a courage to ask any damn question you want or you can continue to show that you are a buffoon. who gave you the right to occupy america? nobody.ç >> of

david gergen. gloria borger still with us. and david walker, david gergen, as someone who has served four u.s. presidents and watchedle more. when you watch this process set up with such fanfare torborg get the united states debt limit raised over the summer time. the total collapse, the message that sends a washington gridlock and dysfunction, is there anyway out now or do we go through a presidential campaign? >> we're mostly going to go through a presidential campaign. i don't see anyway out in the next 12 months. david walker points out that there is a sequestration trigger that the president says he'll veto any attempt and get around it. i think most people will be so angry about this. it appear that washington has gone nuts. and the country is going to be angry. the markets are going to be volatile. this is going to strike most people as a reckless gamble with our economy. we don't know where the markets are going. especially in the context of europe also having serious political leadership problems. serious failures of leadership. and i don't see a quick way out of this at all. we've bee

david coleman headley. a day after the americans... >> rotella: even mumbai's monsoons can't wash away the infamy of david coleman headley. >> he revealed how he attended various let camps. >> his love for luxury made him a terrorist by profession. >> rotella: here, he's a household name... >> as we know, davidheadley is an undercover agent working for the american agencies... >> rotella: ...as synonymous to the november 2008 attacks as bin laden is to 9/11 for americans. >> is america hiding more than it's revealing about david headley? >> david coleman headley, widely suspected to be a us double- agent. >> rotella: but with an added horror: he lived amongst those he planned to kill, always maintaining his cover, befriending the unwitting. i went to the apartment complex where he had lived... got to love that music, huh? ...to walk the halls where he had walked, and to try to talk with the people who might have known him. we're sorry to barge in on you on a sunday. so, did you ever see david coleman headley? >> no, i wouldn't even know it's him. i wouldn't even know it's him. >> rotella: but everyone who had known him now seems to want to forget about it, including this woman who rented him an apartment. >>( speaking local language ) >> just for two minutes? ( knocks on door ) ma'am, we've

david, david keith with us, the national association to protect children. i think the obvious question here as we conclude this, what action can parents take, what action can people at home take? >> well, we have that on our website, protect.org. i want the people of pennsylvania and the rest of the people in this country to go to a website that we just got up and running, it's called lindakelly.org. it shows the position she's in, the position she's taken, and what she's not doing. hammer that website. lindakelly.org. >> davidhanks for your work. i appreciate it so much. >>> karl rove loses it when he faces off against the 99%ers. he doesn't think they have the right to protest. i got a pretty important american document that karl can read. that's next. >>> and later, scary new evidence, it's there, folks. the middle class in this country is declining. you can't deny the numbers. we'll show you. it's gonna be a casual thing. yeah, i'll be right over. [ beep ] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ breathing heavily ] ♪ ♪ [ tires screech ] [ male announcer ] the tight-turning, space-saving, eco-friendly smart. escape your stuff. ♪ [husband:] getting cold out here. [wife:] in here too. we need more affordable energy in this country. we need to protect the environment. what about the economy? what about our planet? [announcer:] at conocophillips, we're helping power america's economy with cleaner, affordable natural gas. more jobs. less emissions. a good answer for everyone. so with affordable energy that we can get to safely... we could

david? david gergen is with us. and i have to say happy anniversary to david gergen, who was happy enough to be here. thank you for being here. is it done-r we moving on or now? >> i think we're probably moving on but i don't think he's escaped injury here. there's definitely a cloud over this nomination and while the polls and the money are coming in now i can guarantee you two things. one i think is standing against barack obama on a head to head will go down. and secondly i think his chances of getting a republican nomination are about zero. >> really? zero? >> zero. >> jeff toobin's a little surprised. >> you know, he's been in the 20s in the polls for quite a while now. i mean, look, i don't think he's going to be the nominee. but i think zero is a little tough. >> i said about zero. but i'll give it 3%. but i'll say this, it's a heck of a lot closer to 0 than 50. >> but david, wouldn't you have said that before the allegations came up on sunday? >> i do. and this is going to damage him with the national outlook. yeah, his basis will stay strong, but he's been a problematic candidate all along. a

david? david gergen is with us. and i have to say happy anniversary to david gergen, wh was happy enough to be here. thank you for being here. is it done-r we moving on or now? >> i think we're probably moving on but i don't think he's escaped injury here. there's definitely a cloud over this nomination and while the polls and the money are coming in now i can guarantee you two things. one i think is standing against barack obama on a head to head will go down. and secondly i think his chances of getting a republican nomination are about zero. >> really? zero? >> zero. >> jeff toobin's a little surprised. >> you know, he's been in the 20s in the polls for quite a while now. i mean, look, i don't think he's going to be the nominee. but i think zero is a little tough. >> i said about zero. but i'll give it 3%. but i'll say this, it's a heck of a lot closer to 0 than 50. >> but david, wouldn't you have said that before the allegations came up on sunday? >> i do. and this is going to damage him with the national outlook. yeah, his basis will stay strong, but he's been a problematic candidate all along. a

you're not robbing the social security fund to finance these tax cuts -- >> oh, david, david, please. >> let me finish. unless, of course, the republicans want to do what they've done all along the last decade, which is put it on the credit card. >> oh, please. >> we have to go. we have to go. i'm sorry. quickly. >> of course. >> i would predict that scott brown up in massachusetts will vote to continue the payroll tax cuts. >> it's going to happen anyway. >> if you were in the senate, you'd vote for it too, i don't know what you're fighting this in some weird kind of principle here. >> it's about substance over actually politics. substance over politics, my friend. >>> up next, one of the baddest mouth on the left, or at least the progressive left, is looking to get back into the congress. stick around for that in the side show. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. ♪ it's nice to be here ♪ it's nice to see you in my bed ♪ ♪ ♪ there are diamonds in her eyes ♪ ♪ and they sparkle in the night ♪ [ male announcer ] this is your moment. ♪ when the moment comes alive [ male announcer

you're not robbing the social security fund to finance these tax cuts -- >> oh, david, david, please. let me finish. unless, of course, the republicans want to do what they've done all along the last decade, which is put it on the credit card. >> oh, please. >> we have to go. we have to go. i'm sorry. quickly. >> of course. >> i would predict that scott brown up in massachusetts will vote to continue the payroll tax cuts. >> it's going to happen anyway. >> if you were in the senate, you'd vote for it too, i don't know what you're fighting this in some weird kind of principle here. >> it's about substance over actually politics. substance over politics, my friend. >>> up next, mitt versus mitt. the dnc has a new ad skewering mitt romney for his changing on the issues. >> i will preserve and protect a woman's righty to choose. the right next step in the fight to preserve the sanctity of life is to see roe v wade overturned. >> much more when we return. this is "hardball" only on msnbc. direct rates side by side to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's help