from david davis, a response.ts where we agree and unpick where we disagree and make further progress on the whole range of issues. but in order to do that, we require flexibility and imagination on both sides. david davis and his team are stung by accusations they were ill—prepared last time and spent the summer creating papers, but the eu has dismissed them, saying they lacked detail and are not on what we need to talk about. magical thinking, they called them. they say it is aspirational, nothing to do with what is talked about. david davis wants to get on with discussing the future relationship with the eu, the rules for trade, and what laws would apply. the eu for now will only address separation issues and the rights of citizens after brexit, the irish border, and the immigrant issue. today, angela merkel was meeting a macron in paris. they were in lockstep. they said the uk has the pay its dues before trade talks can begin. and another complication for david davis, the shifting politics back home. labour is

from david davis, a response —— brexit bill. erbil. from david davis, a response -- brexit bill.ints where we agree and unpick where we disagree and make further progress on the whole range of issues. but in order to do that, we require flexibility and imagination on both sides. david davis and his tea m on both sides. david davis and his team are stung by accusations they we re team are stung by accusations they were ill—prepared team are stung by accusations they were ill—prepa red last team are stung by accusations they were ill—prepared last time and spent the summer creating papers, but the eu has dismissed them, saying they lacked detail and are not on what we need to talk about. magical thinking, they called them. they say it is aspirational, nothing to do with what is talked about. david davis wants to get on with discussing the future relationship with the eu, the rules for trade, and what laws would apply. the eu for now will only address separation issues and the rights of citizens after brexit, the irish border, and the immigrant issue. today, angela merkel was meetin

constructive what was the phrase david davis used ? david davis used? constructive ambiguity. the i'iews used? constructive ambiguity. the news is taking a pop at him because he accused britain of ambiguity today. i think there is a bit of mudslinging going on. we were told la st mudslinging going on. we were told last year to take back control, we didn't quite realised that this hard negotiating phase which we are in now, it is tricky, and whether you are a brexiteer or remain, whether you agree or not, there is two very men staring at each other down the barrel, it is not thinly veiled taunts, they are stabbing each other in the front and it is all rather unseemly, to be honest. but also they should do it away from the public gaze, if humanly possible, because this doesn't strike me as helpful. i don't know what our cards are and i'm not absolutely sure we've got too many, because we've come at this unexpectedly and we we re come at this unexpectedly and we were not really prepared for it, and they are saying things like, michel barn

gliding into eu headquarters, david davis. the summer almost over, it is now that the brexit stakes get serious. don't be fooled by the smiles between the chief negotiators. serious tensions are brewing. we are concerned. time passes quickly. from the eu's michel barnier, evident frustration that the talks are moving far too slowly. we must start negotiating seriously. we need uk papers that are clear, in order to have constructive negotiations. and it is money that he means, the uk's brexit bill. but, from david davis, a combative response, so the battle is brewing. we want to lock in the points where we agree, unpick where we disagree, and make further progress on the whole range of issues. but in order to do that, we require flexibility and imagination on both sides. david davis and his team, stung by accusations they were ill—prepared last time, have spent the summer creating papers. but the eu has dismissed them, saying they lack detail and are not on what we need to talk about. magical thinking, they called them. they sa

david davis told us long would it be?the key point we have to negotiate this with the eu, they have to agree. how is it that we are going to persuade them to come round to this kind of vision for this interim customs period? well, david davis says it is much in the eu's address as it is in the uk's address as any disruption in trade can hurt us both. they are actually selling us 290 billion, they are selling us 290 billion, we are selling them 230 billion a year. it is in their interests, i mean, bmw do not want to have to have a customs border that is going to slow down their sales or add administrative costs. siemens is not going to want to do that, you know, so... and the port of rotterdam is going to want to have an efficient operation, the biggest port in europe, it's going to want to have an efficient operation so they have got an interest as well as us. david davis arguing strongly that that the benefits of this, they go both ways. 0pposition parties have hit back today, the lib dems think all these proposals do is

david davis bede durbidge rigid, inflata ble david davis bede durbidge rigid, inflatable eu, while he is only through traceability and imagination that we will achieve a deal that was both sides. michel barnier system the uk had to be more clear, and realistic, about a brexit deal. the eu couldn't show flexibility, he said, if the uk didn't it sad. translation: i am not frustrated, but i am impatient. where does that leave us? we know that brexit will have a big impact on our lives, but just how huge will depend of the nature of a transition deal, and a permanent trade deal between the eu and the uk. we are nowhere near that yet, and all the steel—making could fall apart. although there is no need to panic just fall apart. although there is no need to panicjust yet. —— deal making. where are we on the three core issues? both sides agree reassuring eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu is a top priority. they disagree, still, whether the european court of justice should have a role in guaranteeing the rights of individuals. on ireland, progress has been made especially around

from david davis a combative response. we want to lock in the points where we agree.sagree and make further progress on the whole range of issues. but in order to do that, we will require flexibility and imagination from both sides. david davis and his team stung by accusations they were unprepared the last time have prepared a raft of papers, but the eu say these lack detail and magical thinking they could them and they stay these are aspirational and not to do what is being talked about now. david davis wants to get on discussing the future relationship with sea, but the eu will only for now addressed separation issues. it is eu leaders who have set these conditions. today, angela merkel was meeting emmanuel macron in paris, seemingly in lockstep. they insist the uk must agree to pay its dues before trade talks will begin. and another congregation for david davis, the shifting politics back home, labour now backing continued membership of the single market and customs union for a transition, a clear contrast to the government's position. damian grammaticas, bbc news

david davis is giving michel barnier a hard time?vies or anyone else from the uk government has listened to what is coming back from the other members of the european union. that is not surprising because they are not listening to messages from the elected government of scotland and wales. they are not listening to a lot of their own backbenchers. david davies must stop acting like he is a colonial governor general, telling people what to do. he must act like he is ina people what to do. he must act like he is in a difficult negotiation and it is difficult because his party made it difficult. he is not acting like that, he is presenting a solid british negotiating position, as face of the british negotiating team, both outwardly and inwardly and he is fishing michel barnier as ha rd and he is fishing michel barnier as hard as he can to get the best deal for britain, surely that is what you want? we do not know what deal he is pushing for because the government have not been forthcoming as to what is going on in negotiations. after th

yes, what david davis was doing was two things.ade that statement. first of all, the british government are pushing against the allegation that dogged them in the last round of talks that they weren't prepared enough, that infamous photo with michel barnier with a pile of papers and david davis empty handed on the other side. they wanted to point out the fa ct side. they wanted to point out the fact that they've published loads of position papers on a range of issues to do with brexit. they're not unprepared is their message. the code words there about being flexible and imagine tiff. they feel that —— imaginative, they feel that michel barnier is sticking too rigidly to things. david davis wants to broaden out the discussion from the original priorities, like the bill and northern ireland and citizens‘ rights to talk about more grandly about what the future eu—uk trade relationship might look like at the end of the process. now you can geta at the end of the process. now you can get a bit of a clue how that went down with michel b

to what david davis has been sayinglj political reactions to what david davis has been saying.was an attempt from the government to show clarity of purpose, an attempt to say, these are practical things we can achieve after brexit, an attempt, really, to say, we are united on a position after many weeks of very public divisions within the cabinet over the issue of any transitional arrangement, what the transitional arrangement might look like. here we have ministers settling on a position and saying that it settling on a position and saying thatitis settling on a position and saying that it is a compromise within the cabinet, saying there will be at an interim customs arrangement, outside the customs union, albeit for a limited period of time. i think this is really designed to say the brussels, to counter any suggestions the government is somehow unprepared oi’ the government is somehow unprepared or has been complacent going into the talks, but there is still much to be agreed on, for example, the details of the future arrangements set out. in terms brussels, the government i

david davis pictured a picture of a rigid, inflexible eu while he argued... through flexibility and imagination that we will achieve a deal that works truly for both sides. michel barnier insisted the uk had to be more clear and realistic about a brexit deal. the eu couldn't show flexibility, he said, if the uk didn't show its hand. translation: i'm not frustrated but i am impatient. it's not that i'm angry, i'm determined. so where does that leave all of us? we know that brexit will have a big impact on our lives butjust how huge will depend on the nature of the transition deal and a future permanent trade deal between the eu and the uk. we're nowhere near that yet and all this deal—making could still fall apart. though, there's no need to panic, just yet. the eu refuses to talk about the eu—uk future until there is substantive progress on the divorce deal. so where are we on the three core issues? both sides agree reassuring eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu, is a top priority but they disagree, still, whether the european court ofjustice shou

david davis didn't appear to respond to it in public. to be one round every month. one round on the 18th september and another one the week beginning the 9th october. that will be critical because later that month, towards the end of october, there will be an eu summit on the 19th and 20th october. at that summit that the other 27eu leaders, not mr barnier, it's autumn the 27 leaders together have to decide whether those words "sufficient prog ress" whether those words "sufficient progress" has been made. the eu has a looming big hole in its budget coming up. for the uk, a looming big hole in its budget coming up. forthe uk, if we a looming big hole in its budget coming up. for the uk, if we can't getan coming up. for the uk, if we can't get an agreement on moving forward, we will not be able to talk about the trading relationships, which we think are the most important thing. it doesn't necessarily mean it's time to panic. we have to remember this, we are unravelling a0 years of history. no—one said it would be easy. unravelling a0 year

i think that's perhaps david davis is aiming for the expression, friction—light —— david davies.ng about the transition between the existing customs union arrangements and what the post brexit trade deal will look like. this is a negative headline but the text is a bit more positive. business leaders have said it is a critical first step. nonetheless, business leaders have said it is a criticalfirst step. nonetheless, i think that the government are clearly going to have their work cut out if they want to avoid further negative comment. it is quite difficult, what their proposal is. at first reading, it does sound like a tautology. they are essentially proposing to leave the existing customs union and... reinventing the wheel? there is a similarity in that. that saying, if it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck... that is only half the issue. we are also talking about trade on the continent, also how we would attract more trade. the thing that seems more trade. the thing that seems more confusing is the external element of the customs union that will remain unchanged during

we've got a bit more of that from david davis.s and we urge the eu to be more flexible in their approach to withdrawal on this point. however i remain of the view that on this, as in many areas, there is an avoidable overlap between withdrawal and the future, they can't be completely cop part mentor lysed —— compartmentalised. will we see more meetings and rounds to speed up this process? both sides say they are ready to intensify the negotiations, that's the code they use food more and longer meetings and more documents. it doesn't look like one side have stuck their head above the parapet to say, let's do it. there were two more negotiating rounds scheduled. one in september and one in october. on the 19th of october we get the next eu summit of eu leaders and i think that will be a big political moment. theresa may will be piling on the pressure for those leaders to say sufficient progress has been made in this first round of talks which will be about trade and the future relationship. michel barnier said he didn't feel confide

the brexit secretary, david davis says contreat progress has been made.n arrow or crossbow bolt landed on the pitch. armed police are at police are bolt landed on the pitch. armed police are at the scene. 0fficials police are at the scene. officials in texas warn of an incredibly dangerous situation after two explosions at a chemical plant in houston. it was flooded by storm harvey. people living near the plant have been told to evacuate their homes. 0na homes. on a visit tojapan, the homes. on a visit to japan, the prime minister, theresa may, has repeated her claim she has no intention of standing down before the next election. and people are gathering at kensington palace it pay their tributes to princess diana, who died, 20 years ago today. now on bbc news, a special day for sport, a time for a specially—extended sportsday. hello and welcome to sportsday.

david davis says wants the eu to show more flexibility and imagination.angerous driving. german prosecutors say a nurse who is serving a life sentence for murdering two patients, may have killed 84 others. indian legal officials confirm a self—styled guru in northern india has been sent to jail for a total of 20 years, for raping two of his women followers. let's return now to texas where rising floodwater has forced thousands from their homes. officials have been holding a news conference on the emergency response effort so far. speaking in washington, the acting secretary of homeland security warned that although the hurricane force winds had diminished, storm harvey continues to pose a serious threat. everyone in this room and on the president's team has been moved by the images and stories of people who are suffering in texas. we want to make sure you all know that we are working right now to provide assistance as quickly as we can. right now, we are focused on our rescue operations and we will move on to recovery operations later in the week. today,

the headlines on bbc news: david davies says the government wa nts to david davies says the governments. realfears customs union with the eu for when britain lives. real fears go up customs union with the eu for when britain lives. realfears go up in january, the biggest increase for four years. the actions of cheltenham and kensington council will be examined as part of the public inquiry into the grenfell tower disaster, at least 80 people died when a fire spread through that oui’ died when a fire spread through that our blog in june. india's prime minister, narendra modi, has led his nation in marking the 70th anniversary of the country's independence from britain. the division of colonial india into two states — india and pakistan — in 1910 was followed by sectarian violence between hindus, muslims and sikhs. up to a million people were killed. the partition led to the movement of around 12 million people in one of the largest migrations ever seen. many muslims fled east and west out of hindu dominated india. similarly, millions of hindus and sikhs headed the other way. that was th

david davis is arriving for the negotiations. this is the third round. michel barnier the eu's chief negotiator. we must start negotiating seriously. and the sooner we remove the ambiguity, the sooner we will be in a position to discuss the future relationship and a transitional period. and the brexit secretary had to save the... we want to lock in the points where we agree, unpick the areas where we disagree, and make further progress on the whole range of issues. but in order to do that will require flexibility and imagination from both sides, something i think the council asked for on some subjects. our goal remains the same: we want to agree a deal that works in the best interests of both the european union and the united kingdom. in your thinking this sounds similar to the other negotiation rounds you are not alone. this is the new york time's eu, despondent... —— booing let's talk to a journalist based in brussels. hello, that reporter asserted that like groundhog day. is certainly has been going quite slowly, the uk has come forward with its paid

brexit secretary david davis and government officials return to brussels today, for the latest roundtors are urging the eu to show flexibility and imagination. this is the third round of talks since june. 0ur correspondent is in brussels. last time, the british delegation was criticised for the photo shoot where there were no papers. how prepared are paid this time around? the british government were pretty angry about those allegations that they wonder prepared for the last round of talks. that famous photograph of david davis with only a notepad on his side of the table and opposite numbers of the eu with documents piled high. they say they've are considered how much work they've are considered how much work they have done in the last few weeks by releasing a flurry of position papers. documents that are related to the talks that are happening right now on a range of subjects and also another set of documents that they call you to publish papers which are more discursive, ideas, documents for the future relationship between the uk and the eu after brexit. there is a very clear stra

david davis picked it deliberately painted a picture of a rigid, inflexible eu.through flexibility and imagination that we will achieve a deal that truly works for both sides. michel barnier insisted the uk had to be more clear, and realistic about of brexit deal. he said the eu couldn't be flexible if the uk didn't show its hand. translation: i'm not frustrated but i am impatient. i'm not angry but determined. we know that brexit will have a big impact on our lives, but how huge will depend on the nature of a transition deal and a future permanent trade deal between the eu and uk. we are nowhere near that yet, and all this deal—making could still fall apart, but there is no need to panic just yet. the eu refuses to talk about the eu/uk future until various substantive progress on the divorce deal. both sides agree reassuring eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu is a top priority, but they still disagree over whether the european court ofjustice should have a role in guaranteeing the rights of individuals. on ireland, progress has made, especially arou

brexit secretary, david davis, says the government wants to negotiate a temporary customs union with the eu for when the uk leaves. rail fares will go up by 3.6% injanuary — the biggest increase for four years. passenger groups say commuters will be worst hit. and i am in india, where the people are remembering partition 70 years on. the grenfell tower public inquiry will examine issues including the cause of the fire — and the actions of kensington and chelsea council. mudslides and floods in sierra leone have killed more than 300 people — thousands more have been forced to flee from their homes. also in the next hour — the british explorer hoping to reach the north pole, by yacht. the expedition has just departed from alaska — aiming to highlight the impact of climate change. good afternoon and welcome to bbc news. the government has confirmed it wants to negotiate a temporary customs relationship with the european union, to be in place after the uk leaves the bloc. the secretary of state for exiting the eu, david davis, says a deal would prevent trade disruption until a permanent

david davis... sorry. schools fear chaos over tough a levels. they have made them harder so levels.ple are not getting the great which seem to be the idea. horror of horrors, there is going to be some real movement in that and in order for people to pass a—levels and gcse is, the marks are going to be manoeuvred and people will still be able to get very good grades. so what was the point of millions of pounds spent on reform like michael gove? this will cause absolute chaos. it they seem to be saying... the trouble is, if you do not have children going through this, you do not have to really concentrate quite ha rd not have to really concentrate quite hard on the story. it seems to be that it hard on the story. it seems to be thatitis hard on the story. it seems to be that it is going back to the old way in which his it is about exam and coursework does not... which for people who do not do well in exams is not very good. then, of course, they are saying that other people can help you with the coursework so it might not be yours so it is about excellence... it is a good system becau

david davis is coming out today with a paperon david davis is coming out today with a paper on this.paper on this. they are going for a compromise. they say we must find a compromise. they say we must find a solution for dispute resolution. there are examples. the eu — canada have dispute settlement courts with judges on both sides. the european free trade association court mediates between norway, iceland and lichtenstein, and the swiss have the diplomatic and political roots. there are things they can do to come up there are things they can do to come up witha there are things they can do to come up with a solution that pleases both. let's finish with something simple. rugby fan? delighted. over the moon. the french are a really good team. for the english ladies to win this decisively, 23— three, that is something. i have a friend, rocky clarke, the most capped england by clarke, the most capped england rugby player, male or female. we say it often that it is the profile that is given to women's sport. things are changing. it is great. it is an encouragement. it gets girls or weigh

david davis himself hasn't been in brussels for most of the week.urned last night, leaving the negotiations to his officials. he's hoping he can twist the arms of the eu's 27 member states so they agree to talk trade. they've insisted all along there must be sufficient progress on the separation first. we certainly need progress on the divorce bill before we can say that sufficient progress has been made. so the uk's not going to get to move forward until it satisfies that demand 7 i think so. i think that's what the eu has been very consistent on this point. so, it's the money that's causing the biggest problems. the eu insisting obligations must be honoured, and the uk questioning them. the commission has set out its position. and we have a duty to our taxpayers to interrogate it rigorously. at this round, we presented our legal analysis. after this week, it is clear that the uk does not feel legally obliged to honour its obligations after departure. how can we build trust and start discussing a future relationship? we need to address together the

and now coming on to our next story, we can say where are you, david davis?s to be more flexible. is this pie in the sky? there are two separate discussions that we need to have. what is the politics at what is the policy? they are separate. we can agree that it is good politics, opening up a flank in which tory mps might slip and voters could come through. i don't know how david davis can declare that brussels needs to be more flexible and have it be true. britain has its interests and so does the european union. brussels could come back and they britain should do this. these are two sides negotiating on opposite sides of the table.|j are two sides negotiating on opposite sides of the table. i have a question, if you don't mind. i feel passionately about this. you are business and economics correspondent and editor with a pan—european view. what is so interesting in the british debate, politically and journalistically, we are hearing far too little about europe. there is a europe politics want, and we are not getting self and others, as they say in psychiatr

david davis, and why he thinks these proposals should be acceptedm david davis, and why he thinks these proposals should be accepted. it is in their interests. bmw do not want to have a customs border that is going to slow down their sales or add costs. siemens are not going to wa nt to add costs. siemens are not going to want to do that. the port of rotterdam will want to have an official operator —— have an efficient operation. you can find the full paper online if you want to go through the details. some of the key points. at the moment, the uk is ina key points. at the moment, the uk is in a customs union with other eu members. they are subject to the same tax wherever they enter the eu, but then they can move fairly freely between member states. the paper says that for the uk wants is a temporary customs union gerrie nel transition period after we leave the european union in march 2019. during this period, it would also expect to negotiate its own international trade deals, something it cannot do as a customs union member. the paper sets out two proposals for after the transition p

we are left in the hands of these characters, liam fox, david davis... borisjohnson.y have very little confidence in them as a trio to negotiate our way in this difficult task. particularly at a time when the european union is doing extremely well, the euro is high, germany and france are relaunching their politics. it looks like on the one hand, you have britain which cannot get a position and the european union, which goes forward with or without britain. adam, you said earlier, it's not going well, it is going badly. actually, to what extent do any of us know that? does anyone go into a negotiation...? you don't put all of your cards on the table, do you? that is the process of a negotiation. at least they are behind schedule, now it looks like the trade talks in october could be delayed until december. they are behind schedule. that's clear. yes, in terms of the timetable perhaps. the level of snarkiness on on social media and the bad tempers and everyone telling us that they want brexit reversed or not reversed, i think a lot of this has been created because peop

the brexit secretary, david davis, says he wants to negotiate a temporary customs union with the eu — leaves. that's all from the bbc news at one. it's goodbye from me — and on bbc one we nowjoin the bbc‘s news teams where you are. have a good afternoon. time for the sport. the premier league is celebrating its 25th birthday. premier league clubs will discuss the idea of closing the summer transfer window before the start of the season. the window currently runs until august 31, in line with many other european leagues. they‘ re set to vote on the idea next month. earlier, i spoke to our sports reporter simon stone, who explained why this has come about. the transfer window has caused a bit of a problem for english clubs for a number of years now, mainly because it does not close until the 31st of august. that is two or three games into the season, and it means that players can move after the teams have started the season. this is not ideal. this summer, it seems to have become an even greater problem, so you have three really high—profile cases. southampton defender virgil van dijk i

that was david davis's cousin. his proposal passed the house, the house of representatives voted to end all military commissions on an amendment to an appropriations bill moved by david davis's cousin, henry winter davis, a radical republican. it lost in the senate. when republican senators said, how can you reverse the very decision that the americans decided that the people decided in the election of 1864? it was pleading guilty to the democratic charge. and suggested that lincoln should have lost the election. once the war was over, davis determined to insert the supreme court into this great debate and he determined to do so on the side of those who wanted to uphold constitutional liberties in times of crisis. and he had. the perfect case. well, almost the perfect case. a locally prominent indiana democrat named lam deny milligan and a number of others had tried to organize critics of the lincoln administration to defend themselves against despotism. i think you've heard today how seriously those people took th

david davis says that the uk wants to negotiate a temporary customs union with the eu.u. rail fares will go up by 3.6% injanuary, the biggest increase for four years. commuter groups say it is the customer who will suffer. the actions of kensington and chelsea borough council will be examined indie investigation into the grenfell tower tragedy. looking at the markets, and this is how london and frankfurt ended the day, and how the dowjones and the nasdaq are getting on at mid—afternoon on the east coast. the northern ireland blood transfusion service has apologised to 120 members of the indian community who were turned away from giving blood. they weren't allowed to do so because of confusion about whether they had been to india and needed a malaria test. peter coulter reports. members of northern ireland's indian community wanted to organise this blood drive to do something positive. around 120 people were due to attend. there are people who travel from delhi, and those who travel from delhi, and those who travel from delhi, and those who travel from derry, because the

steriles did not move much sterling did move on the fact that we got comments from david davis who saidhat we wouldn't have the brexit bill by october. there seems to be a lot of -- >> the divorce bill. legally the uk does not have to pay any divorce bill but if we have a temporary three-year transition period, what's likely to be the case is some sort of compromise where the uk may pay in something over the three-year period. there's nothing in international affairs that prevents you from paying to subscribe to things if you want to be part of science budgets. so the uk will be doing that any way. on top of that, as part of this transition deal, there will be compromise on the divorce payments overall the way to view this is a positive development what we're not picking up in the uk press and media, dare i say, is that in germany, france and italy that the business groups there are pressing their respective governments quite aggressively in some respects to sort out the deal with britain soon for them the uk matters for trade what we're seeing this morning from the brexit sector is foc

david davis said la st afraid to share it?ity. that was the phrase he used. it is a nice sounding phrase, but i think it is used to cover the fa ct but i think it is used to cover the fact that they don't know how to confront these challenges. they have grappled with the detail. this is the detail which is brought out in the detail which is brought out in the observer story. if you are going to have a temporary interim customs union with the eu which is like the one we have at the moment, someone has to oversee it. a legal body has to oversee it. so who is that going to oversee it. so who is that going to be? to oversee it. so who is that going to be ? the to oversee it. so who is that going to be? the natural thing is the ecj, but theresa may said we will not be subject to the supervision of the ecj after 2019. so how can the customs union proposal work? this is what sir paul jenkins customs union proposal work? this is what sir pauljenkins is saying. to make the customs union bit work for the interim, you have to have ecj su

brexit secretary david davis spoke to the bbc earlier.imple, practical set of proposals we have put forward. primarily due have two elements, when we leave the european union we leave the customs union, will we have a transitional arrangement for a year or two that will allow not just british companies to sell into europe at european countries who sell 60 billion more than us into the uk? with me is our business editor simonjack. it sounds very good in theory but the first thing many people will think, having your cake and eating it? this is the having your cake and eating it position paper. there are reasons this has been issued today, they want to show that they have been negotiating with each other, making progress. they want to leave the customs union but they don't wa nt the customs union but they don't want anything to change. are you out or in? technically out, but nothing much will change, the only thing that will change, if we are technically out of the customs union means the uk is at liberty to sign, negotiate and find new trad

david davis himself hasn't been in brussels for most of the week.rned last night, leaving the negotiations to his officials. he hoping he can twist the arms of the eu's 27 member states so that they will talk trade. they have insisted there must be sufficient progress on there must be sufficient progress on the separation first. any progress on the divorce bill first. so the uk won't get to move forward until it satisfies that demand 7 won't get to move forward until it satisfies that demand ?|j won't get to move forward until it satisfies that demand? i think so. the eu has been very consistent on this point. the eu is obligations must be honoured and the uk is questioning them. we have a duty to our taxpayers to interrogate the position rigorously. at this round, we presented our legal analysis. after this week, it is clear the uk does not feel legally obliged to honour its obligations after departure. how can we build trust and start discussing the future relationship? we need to address together the issues seriously and rigorously. for now, the

david davis has been speaking, hasn't he?being as close as possible to the current arrangements. he says that is to prevent this cliff edge for business, to allow them to adjust to any new regulations. so how long might it take he was asked this morning, said it was hard to say, maybe around two years, may be shorter. but that's all very well, this is the uk setting out what it once, how are we going to persuade the eu to agree to it? david davis said it is as much in their interest as it is in ours. we sell about 230 billion euros of goods and services to the european union each year. they sell 290 billion to us. i was in bavaria two or three weeks ago. they sell bmws, electronic goods, they have got an incredibly strong interest in something like this so there's an interest on both sides of not doing each other harm, if you like. both to do with customs arrangements but also to do with having a free trade area in the first place. so you see his argument that if there is an interruption in trade, it hurts everyone. he will h

and we‘ll be speaking to the brexit secretary, david davis, later in the programme. to a relief worker who is there to see what is going on. at 8:20am we‘ll be speaking to a relief worker who is in freetown about the latest on the rescue efforts there. north korean leader kimjong—un has been briefed by the country‘s military leaders on how they could fulfil his threat to fire missiles near the american island of guam in the pacific. according to north korea state media, the report said he would now watch us actions before making a decision. last week, tensions escalated when pyongyang threatened to fire four missiles into the sea off guam. and let‘s just bring you some more on the news that a train has partially derailed at waterloo station in london. the south west trains service has struck a freight train at low speed. it‘s not clear if any passengers were on board. people are being advised to avoid waterloo station all day. we‘ll bring you more on that story as soon as we get it. rail passengers will learn this morning how much more they‘ll be paying for some of t

david davis, as if your interpretation is he could be taking us up to a zenith point of confrontationoes feel like that, things are being set up for a kind of we can't do business with these people, their are 26 governments, varying positions under therefore, we have break off negotiations. that may be seen on the british part as a tactic. manus: is that back to no deal is better than a bad deal? would that be catastrophic for markets? trevor: the pound has argued in weakening versus the euro for various reasons, and the strength of the eu economy is part of that. i think the pound would go down further. we may debt more of a single market transition or maybe some permanent agreement, a bit like single market which is upside for the pound but you don't get that from here. it feels like you have to go through some sort of crunch period because of a lost vote in parliament or negotiations, which could feed a downward spike. in terms of -- and you mentioned the strengthen the euro driven by many fact or's -- -- factors. when does that worry the ecb. some were worried, draghi didn't menti

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we've heard what david davis thinks, what's the general mood, how do you assess things?we got it in the subtext from david davis — tacitly he's saying expect no great shakes this week. this is almost an hors d'oeuvre for talks around 0ctober. what becomes a little like groundhog day, there are three sticking points that are pretty muddy at the moment, where the eu side are saying they cannot progress until they believe that satisfactory progress is made. they term it satisfactory. this goes back to the point of the irish border. a few weeks ago, the government put out a position payer to say there should be no hard borders. there should be no hard borders. there should be no infrastructure in place. there are ways round it. the eu described it as magical thinking. they've gone into the room, i think floor 13 behind me, to discuss this as one of the other two issues, one is how much britain has to pay. they're disagreeing on the methodology of that and the other is citizens‘ rights, whether the european court of justice citizens‘ rights, whether the european court ofjusti

we heard from david davis that he wants more imagination on the european side.ichel barnier working on tight parameters, the mandate provided to him, he has to stick to that. every time he wants to move outside those parameters, he has to seek fresh approval from european leaders that is a criticism that may hold some water when it comes to the idea of european flexible they'll be arriving over the course of this morning, the two teams. they have specialized teams on these particular issues. particularly that financial one. one of the areas that is being talked about is british citizens traveling in europe may no longer have access to free healthcare >> you've been following the negotiations for quite some time how has the trajectory changed how has the power balance between the eu and uk changed in that period? >> it's difficult to gauge essentially the europeans have been unified since day one that was not something that necessarily they expected. they said they didn't expect all 27 countries to stick together that does, of course, give them a huge amount of p

after this message from the cabinet, including philip hammond and david davis, in ajoint statement, istime of the next election, which will be 2022 at the latest. so there is very little time, here. the swiss managed it, and of course there are smaller country, but that gave immense leverage, because there we re gave immense leverage, because there were 8 million people, rather than 65 million, and they have a deficit, rather than surplus, with eu. they did manage to sit down and work on issues like fisheries and the permissible noise of lorries, or whatever. both sides except that this was at least that where they are largely in a free—trade area, but largely outside all of the politics. and i really don't think it is rocket science to do something similar. one of the most senior members of your party, the conservative party, george osborne, now in its the standard newspaper in london. he put his name to the paper which wrote a scathing editorial about where the government is taking brexit, just yesterday, in which is scornful conclusion was written is working hard to prove that we ca