monica alba, garrett haake, david drucker, thank you so much. and joining us now, former chief spokesperson for kamala harris, symone sanders townsend, and michael steele, both are co-hosts of msnbc's "the weekend." michael, we know the stakes are high for both of these candidates tonight. what do you think will constitute a win on either side? >> surviving. it's just surviving. you know, it is -- >> that's a low bar. >> it's going to be a slog. it's going to be a slog. i think you've got an asymmetrical person on the stage in the form of donald trump against a measured, competent pulled-together prosecutor, who wants to be president. and i think for kamala harris, the opportunity to show she's got presidential chops will be important throughout. i want to go back to something that david drucker said, they appreciate the point about donald trump having been in a presidential debate seven times. but i'm sorry, donald trump has never debated anybody. donald trump has performed. donald trump has thrown names at people. he's said incoherent -- made

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correspondent covering the harris/walz, aaron gilchrist, and senior writer at "the dispatch," david drucker. it's weird to deliver news when someone calls themselves a black nazi and to have to do it in the style we do every day, as if it's a normal turn of events for this country and this ever increasingly weird moment we're living in. what's the deal with the staffers walking out, and i guess why did it take them so long? >> i think the fact that it's unsurprising that these candidates exist, and have such a platform, and are elevated to getting the endorsement of a former president of the united states, when we knew he had made wildly racist statements in the past, erratic, that he was somebody who, i think anybody on their face would question whether you should be running for governor of a state. for mark robinson, his deputy campaign manager, finance director, general consultant. he was not at the campaign rally with donald trump on saturday. at the same time, donald trump has not unendorsed him. when you look historically, donald trump didn't leave the side of herschel walker. he didn