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and senior writer and author of in trump's shadow, david drucker. mrs. molly, let's start with john kelly's comments. what did you make of vp harris campaigning on them today. >> i mean it world be foolish not to comment on someone who had been trump's longest serving chief of staff, right. >> who agrees with many of his policies. there is not idiology. he is worried. ideology, he is worried. to get people like there come out and he saw the clock was ticking and was so worried about trump coming back to power. it is meaningful. the message is, this is not a normal election, right? harris and liz cheney have nothing in common but that they are both very, very worried about democracy. and i think that kelly supports that. >> the establishment, they freak out about everything trump thing. john kelly is no liz cheney. john kelly was not planning on doing and media leading up to the election because he did not want to get tangled with trump. it was him hearing about the enemies from within that made him say enough is enough. do you think it will matter to any

political reporter, aaron hanes, and david drucker, senior writer at the dispatch and author of in trump's shadow. mr. waggle, steve just laid it out, this thing is an extraordinarily close race with less than a month to go, what is your read on where these candidates are? >> the nbc poll is the best one trump has had in a while for a couple reasons. harris had done what looked impossible for more than two months which was increase ore favorable ratings after being in the public eye for a long time. tim walz was popular coming out of the gate. both improved on those metrics. steve laid it out well. the problem in each of these swing states is there's a coalition of voter who is did not like donald trump in 2020 and voted against him in 2020, they feel more warmly now, and there are voter who is come in to the electorate that the trump campaign -- it's the reason why the vice president's doing more voter outreach. people don't have problems -- it's been true for a year. he has related himself to the fact that prices were lower when he was president and for a lot of voters that's the start a

jonathan martin is here, david drucker is here and evan mcmorris. evan, all of a sudden vp harris is everywhere all at once talking to vastly different audiences from call her daddy, the view, howard stern and stephen colbert. what do you make of the arguments that it is only two friendly viewers. she went on 60 minutes last night and republicans jumped all over it think she did a terrible job. >> donald trump decided not to go on 60 minutes. vice president harris is doing a general election strategy that makes sense. speak to a broad number of voters where you find them. there is a huge audience of people. this is what you are used to seeing. donald trump is spending most of his time talking with conservative audiences which is less normal. i don't see anything too surprising about him/her getting out as much as she can. >> there is a double standard. all of the media pressure, last year joe biden skip the super bowl interview and he got absolutely crushed for at. how come when donald trump skip 60 minutes, a 50-year-old tradition, nobody blinks. >

political reporter with the philadelphia inquirer, julia taruso, author of "in trump's shadow," david drucker, politics reporter, the man we just name checked, dave weigel, and "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor, david peters. i gave you the last word in the opening soliloquy into the show. tell me what you're seeing in swing states. >> which ads are they running, the harris campaign actually has economy focused ads, boiling down her basic promises, the promises on housing, the promises to crack down on price gouging, more health care access, medicare covering home care. you're hearing that all the time, if you're watching tv or just looking on you tube in these swing states. the democracy message has been a response, remember, not to what democrats are saying, but reporting about what mark milley thought of donald trump in bob woodward's book. what the campaign is trying to do is blend together that argument, trump can't serve as president again. we can't let him back in that role, given what his former employees have said. the economic benefits, the trump campaign has some of t

we have our editor at large for the 19th, and david drucker, senior writer at the dispatch and authortrump's shadow." steve just waited out. this thing is an extraordinarily close race with less than a month to go. what is your read on where these candidates are? >> the nbc poll is the best one trump is had for a while for a couple reasons. one of them is that harris had done what looked impossible for more than two months, which was increase her favorable ratings after being in the public eye for a very long time. tim walz is very popular coming out of the gate. both have improved on those metrics. steve laid it out pretty well. the problem in each of these swing states is that there is a coalition of voters who did not like donald trump in 2020 and voted against him in 2020. they feel more worldly now, and there are also voters who come into the electorate that the trump campaign and democrats acknowledge this, that is why they are doing more black voter outreach. people have come into the electorate and don't have problems with either the trumps 2016 campaign that they don't rememb

joining us now, david drucker, senior writer at the dispatch and val demings of florida and stewart stevens, mitt strategi campaign. we heard about what the former president said about women. what did you make of it? >> jose, certainly there was nothing wrong with her response, but as someone who has been in the protecting business for real, there are no surprises at least to me about what the former president has said. he has quite the reputation of forcing himself on women and guess what, whether they like it or not. and so i know there has been a lot of discussion about women will decide this election. but i am appealing to men and women who believe in protecting women in the right ways, to please vote for vice president harris because she is the only person in this race who has demonstrated throughout her public service career that she is truly interested in protecting women. donald trump has demonstrated just the opposite and is yet again clearly messaging how he really feels about women. the second class citizens that he believes we are. >> stewart, the vice president has consistently

and david drucker, senior writer at "the dispatch" and mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. >> jacob, how are voters there in michigan reacting to what they saw last night? >> reporter: oh, jose, ana, they are reacting, i can assure you of that. there is a reason for that. jd vance will be not far away from where i am today in oakland county, michigan, and when you talk to people at oakland university, they'll tell you, you know, it is not one, two, or three days before one of the four candidates for president or vice president will come through here. oakland county, not an exaggeration to say, will be one of most consequential counties in the swing state come election day. it was 100,000 vote swing from former president trump in 2016 to president biden in 2020. and even next door, macomb county, which leans republican, the student body populous at oakland university made up of largely young people from both of those key counties in michigan, all of these issues that we talk about day in and day out are on the minds of the young people. michigan had som