. >> host: in a recent column, david eaves, you wrote -- you quoted john gilmour. the net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. what does that mean? this. >> guest: so, you know, when you are trying to access something on the internet, you know, and you're trying to block access from me to a site, one of the great things about the internet is because it's decentralized, there are usual multiple routes to get to a piece of information. so if one route's blocked, the internet will try to find other routes around that to get to it. so rather than seeing some sort of block as a this is the end-all, be-all, it treats it as a bug and tries to see can we get around this problem. i used that quote in a specific context because i'm interested in access to information in government. and one of the things that i see happening you look at things like freedom of information requests and you see they take, you know, not just days, but months to actually get the data you've asked for, the information you've asked for, and in a world of google where, you know, peop