joining us now is david englin who sponsored the amendment, mr. englin, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> hard to follow this from the beginning because it's cringey to cover the subject, hard to cover today because the news started moving so quickly and it was hard to sort out. in terms of what i just described there as the process, that is how you understand what happened today? >> rachel, you described it very well. i'm pleased that governor plk donnell and virginia republicans caved in on forced vaginal penetration, but come on. i mean the fact it took them so long to come around on that issue, they knew very well up front was the problem with the bill is just ridiculous. but then what they did, governor mcdonnell took a small group of men, republican legislators lind closed doors in the dark of night and decided to play doctor. and decided to come up with a new bill. well, make no mistake, the new bill still bullies women in to not having abortions. that is the whole purpose. includes provisions like requiri