david frum, good to have you on this program. thanks for having you on. >> thank you. >>> a conversation with alex tizon about his tone "big little man" we're back in a moment, stay with us. >>> race and gender stereotypes dominate much of the american experience but in a black and white dynamic. a groundbreaking new text from pulitzer prize winning journalist alex tizon called "big little man in search of my asian self" which combinesz(bt personal experience with a historic historical perspective. honored to have you on this program. read one paragraph that will, got your cheaters in your pocket. >> i got my cheaters. >> i'll put you on the spot that way. one paragraph here that just struck me as fascinating and illuminating about your e=uiñparents.rough the lens of i wonder if you might read this paragraph that starts out, my grandparents bowed -- >> my grandparents bowed to the americans and sought to learn from them. my parents thought to be them. it was part of the grotesque progression. the desire fueled my family's journey

. >> david frum, the president tonight is speaking to a number of different constituencies.irst and foremost, he'll be speaking to the american people. he'll also be speaking to congress, speaking to our allies, speaking to assad, and he'll also be speaking to isis. give us a sense of what's going on behind closed doors right now. who is the main targeted audience? and how do you go about making sure that you are sending the yekt message to all these different groups that will be watching tonight? >> when you have a powerful message, it needs to be built from the inside out. where speeches go wrong is when they're build from the outside in. when you're looking over your left shoulder and your right shoulder. have something clear to say. in the modern world, i don't know that it's possible to send different messages to different people. what you can do is avoid making mistakes that needlessly alienate or offend somebody because you didn't know what you were doing. there are, unfortunately, a lot of examples of culture-bound americans doing that. they're all watching the same

join me next time for a conversation with republican strategist and writer david frum about the upcominghe program. we begin this evening with china and talk to orville schell and nicholas bequelin. >> beijing is not keeping its promise, it has laid out some rules that say that he will pick, beijing will pick the candidates. that the hong kong electorate can vote for. therefore screening out any candidate that beijing doesn't like. the hong kong public doesn't like testimony hong kong students don't like it, and the result is the the protest that we're seeing today. >> rose: we continue with paul ryan, the congressman and former vice presidential nominee. his new book is called "the way forward" >> i think one of the thins we did in the war on poverty, we, meaning society and government, inadvertently was we gave people the impression that this is government's responsibility. pay your taxes, don't worry about a thing. government will solve these problems. that's not truement n

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and it was most of my friends, chris caldwell, david frum, krautham--charles krauthammer, p.j. o'rourke, robert kagan. it was mostly the people i really admire and like all at one magazine, so i thought: what could be more fun? and it's proved that way. so i write for that, and then on the side i write this book and i write a lot of freelance stuff. i'm a contributing editor at newsweek and i write for the new yorker periodically, on various things, mostly non-political, mostly on this stuff, which is cultural. c-span: one of the things that comes through in your book is that people who are bobos watch pbs and listen to npr. >> guest: yeah. well, i think bobos--and c-span, i should say, though it's more fun to make fun of pbs and npr than c-span. you don't have as much of a precious sensibility. but bobos are highly educated. that--that's the essence of the bobo, that the old protestant establishment were formed in the country club or in the cradle by the bloodlines. but the--the bobos went through the university system and consider themselves university people. that's why they

david frum the u.n., and others constantly.there's no shortage of people trying to break the barrier and brings the people's attention. and i think for a lot of americans the polling data show that people are scared. they're scared. they are alarmed by this. are less clear i think in the minds of what we should do. they are less clear about what are the strategic choices that powerful governments face in this come in disputed. and in that sense i think bringing forward the next layer of communicate and from the president, from samantha power at the u.n. security council, and from other like minded personalities, including president johnson sterling, including the nigerian head of state and minister of health, including many others would be very valuable at making clear what would be the level of urgency, needs happen and why does that tie to u.s. national interest. at this moment. were having obviously when we look at isis, when you look at the other crises areas with crimea, with ukraine, putin, there is a deep debate going on