the best or nothing. >>> we are back with david frum, daniel, steven moore and bret stevens.hat is the new republican party look like? because at the end of the day, you might not like it, the core of trump's message is about stopping trade, stopping immigration, the things that got the weakest response at the convention was paul ryan's message of deregulation, tax cuts, even when donald trump talked about tax cuts, very little applause for that, what you have out there are these voters who are protectionists, global -- >> what you saw this week in cleveland, was the passing of the baton from the bush era, to a new trump era, and it will be a new party with a new message. yes, we are going to require nato countries to pay for their own defense, i have no problem with that, we're running trillion dollar deficits, why can't germany and france pay their own. we're going the have the biggest tax cut since ronald reagan, we're going to repeal obama care and replace it with a choice based health care system, much like what the american enterprise institute has argued for, we're goi

let me bring in david frum, former speech writer for president george w. bush, currently senior editor at "the atlantic." before we get your view of what went wrong or did not, what happens behind the scenes? you have a huge speech, 40 million people. someone is assigned to melania trump. of course you want to talk to her and get her story. who ultimately is responsible for those words? >> ultimately who is responsible is the campaign manager. and the convention manager. because they build a structure. things report up. and is everything -- is this done correctly, has this been done correctly, are you sure, have you checked. and so obviously, if it there were plagiarism scandal, it would not be the convention or campaign manager's fault. but if something like this so particularly egregious and dumb mistake can float upward, then obviously you haven't got any kind of organization. and the fact is, this campaign, they're terrible at everything. >> i want you to stick around hire. on the phone, we have with us jared hill. he is the first person who flagged th

. >> david frum tweeted this out a short time ago from "the atlantic." he says, ten years from now, every delegate in tonight's hall still alive will have claimed to have cheered ted cruz. i thought that was a very interesting weight. no risk, no reward. we still look at the setup of it all. what does ted cruz have to lose? he wants to be president. i'm not sure he wants to continue to be a senator, a disliked senator. >> i do think he has -- the line that i would repeatedly hear about ted cruz, the only thing more unpopular on capitol hill than ted cruz is a cash bar. but ted cruz really wants to be the party's nominee in 2020. and the big risk here is, ted cruz, a., missing out on his populus wave. think about something else. ted cruz spoke about gay folks, gay -- ted cruz spoke about immigrants. ted cruz is moderating his tone. he wants to -- >> he talked about african-americans protecting police and protecting innocent people who are the victims of police brutality. he tried to throw it all out there, hoping he can circle back one day. >> that's his

commentator matt lewis, and senior editor of "the atlantic" and former speech writer for george bush, david frumng his speech -- they say it's nixonian. >> i call it nixon without the optimism. that's not a joke. if you reread all of richard nixon's accept stance speeches, you see a lot of references to crime and mayhem, but the bot bott tom two-thirds is optimism. society is pulsing with possible. president nixon makes a series of commitments, and it's also where he talks again about building bridges to america's various communities and bringing us together. that was also part of his message. none of that optimism was on display here last night. >> also, remember the context. the reason that the trump campaign likes the nixon comparisons is part of the context of the times. it is beneficial to them to say we're in like another 1968 period. remember how bad that was. but what was nixon's choice? his choice was to paint an optimistic -- to recognize the problems but to say this can be better, it will be okay. did trump do that last night? >> no, no. 99% of it was negative. look, i think that any

. >> conservative commentator david frum summed it up this way.re s satisfied, this shows you can't always get what you want. >> it wasn't a one off. he used that song throughout his campaign. he got a cease and desist from rolling stones but he still plays it. >> now he's just doing it to be ornery. >> it's not much of an upper song. >> no. here's another question a lot of people on social media have been debating for a long time. why do men and women take off their shirts differently? >> i didn't know that they did. >> online people point out women tend to cross their arms over, start at their waist and then pull the shirt up kind of over their head like this. so you start like this and go like that. how do men do it? >> grab from the back and pull it over. >> carson? >> i like to take -- i like -- i don't want to stretch out the neck, so i go through the arms. i call it the houdini method. very careful over the head. >> you have the tear off. >> apparently most people figure it's because the way clothing is made. men's shirts have more room so

david frum, and columnist for bloomberg view, we have a fphonc for your name. >> what is the sin herere two sins. the first sin is plagiarism is stealing. you're taking something that somebody else did and presenting it as your own when you don't own it. you acquire ownership through your own creativity. the speech writing process where you write words for someone else, that's with a contract, an understanding, one person agrees to have words written for another. that's not stealing. this is stealing. in this case, it is work than a sin. it is a blunder. because those words condemn melania out of her own mouth. once you know where they're from, you realize how not true they are, when they describe donald trump, his word is his bond. no. he keeps his promises. no he treats people with dignity and respect. no. he values hard work. well, after this plagiarism, we can say obviously not true either. >> ramesh, is there something to this? >> well, they've made it into a tem pest themselves by their ridiculous insistence that the sky is green in response. so last night, donald trump, jr. say

. >> on that note -- >> awed silence comes across the panel as david frum drops the hammer. >> and thethank you very much. always great to get your insights and to have you here. it was a challenging night for donald trump's newly minted running mate, mike pence. it was spoetsed to be his moment in the spotlight. as you've heard, it was overshadowed by ted cruz. now trump himself is contradicting his vp on foreign policy, as we've been talking about here. cnn's phil mattingly is live in the convention hall with more on trump's vision. phil? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. it was supposed to be mike pence's moment, his night, his opportunity not only to introduce himself to the country but also offer a hand to conservatives that have been very wary of a trump candidacy up to this point. instead, he was overshadowed, and as you noted, it wasn't just by ted cruz, it was by his own running mate. donald trump undermining his running mate mike pence on the biggest night of his career. pence detailing his approach to foreign policy to an enthusiastic audience at the republican national con