joining me now is harry litman and david frum. harry, i'll start with you on this. paul manafort is 68 years old. he seems to have nothing to gain by going to prison for donald trump. and there isn't much that he can offer that would be higher than himself. he was the chairman of the campaign. i'll ask you the same question i asked in our previous block. what's the biggest thing that donald trump would have to fear? would it be that manafort is willing to give up jared or don junior? >> we don't know. we do know that trump himself, the president, has said privately, at least it's been reported, that he thinks manafort could, in fact, incriminate him. how could that happen? one of two ways it seems to me, something that really puts the

and david frum is back with us.hinks the system is broken he could give jared kushner clearance, why isn't he doing that. >> we have a classic double standard. if any of my former colleagues were in a job that required them to have top secret sensitive information access and they could not get a permanent security clearance they had to get an interim can clearance, they would be fired. they would be out of the job. probably placed on administrative leave and ultimately let go. however in the white house, for people close to the president, especially the family the requirements are lower, the standards are lower and people like jared kushner continue to receive the pdb or some people in the intelligence community are calling it the jdb because it's for jared. >> here's sarah sanders. >> i can't answer whether someone has security clearance or not, as i addressed many times before. i can tell you nothing that has taken place will affect the valuable work that jared is doing. he continues and will continue to be a valu

bush and atlantic columnist david frum on his new book. book, trumpocracy, is a book about the study of power. means. what the suffix it is a study of donald trump power. how does he get away with it? trumpocracy is the system of enabling. -- isthe system be queen the system between trump and the media. it is the system that involves the republican donor elite, the traditional elements of the republican party, and above all between him and that core group of his voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and then going to the presidency. >> watch "afterwards" sunday night on c-span twos book tv. -- on c-span2's book tv. where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created by a public service by america's cable television companies and is

joining us now maria tandemocrat and david frum. >>> neera, you were captured in some of the e-mails that these people managed to obtain in their effort, their attack on this campaign. i want to get your reaction tonight to what we've learned today. >> this is a far-ranging indictment. and really proves what the intelligence agencies said over a year ago. proves what the intelligence agencies said and what donald trump has been denying on an almost weekly basis which is that the russians interfered in our election. and it demonstrates how. they spent millions of dollars a month to take on, undermine hillary clinton and support donald trump and other candidates. and i think the reality here is that it's hard to say what impact they had, although when 71,000 votes are at stake, the idea that millions of dollars spent by a foreign government on a monthly basis had zero impact i find really hard to believe. >> david frum, we did get a presidential reaction to this news today from bernie sanders, who issued -- he was one of the people that the russians were trying to help in the primaries

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this is one of the arguments that david frum is making in his book. the republicans are very aware of the fact that they are either -- that if they continue down this path, they face a very, very tough electoral future which is one of the reasons that they're starting to cheat. [laughter] no, that's david frum. it's not me. so the clearest incentive is to lose badly. you know, had hillary clinton won by ten percentage points the 2016 election, there would be a lot of soul searching going on in the republican party. the problem is that, again, the republicans don't really have a party. they don't really have a national party leadership. this is a decentralized party, and in much of the country many of the congress people and the senators that are coming to washington are coming from deep red states or districts. so even if the republican party takes a thumping at the national level, they're still going to do quite well in much of the territory. and so it's going to take an electoral beating that's so bad that it pervades not only north carolina and vir

. >> david frum good, to be with you. >> guest: thank you. >> host: i must say i like the title of your book very much. it seems fitting a president who is so brand conscious and likes to see his name on hotels hoteld golf courses and steaks would get his own brand name, trumpocracy. can you define trumpocracy and explain how you came up with this concept. >> guest: well, we are all mesmerize bid donald trump's outsized personality, and it's natural to believe that the permit is the secret to what is going on. trumpocracy, which comes from the same root as democracy and autoocracy, i this stud another donald trumps power, it's the system of enabling. it's the system in the white house, it's the system between trump and congress, and it's the system between trump and the media that enabled him and create an audience. the system that involves his -- the republican donor elite, traditional elements of the republican party and above all between him and that core group of voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and then go on the presidency. >> hos

bush and atlantic columnist david frum with his book "trumpocracy" ."he's interviewed by "washington post" nonfiction book critic. >> it comes come from the sames democracy and autocracy is a book about the study of power. that's what the suffix means. this is the study of donald trump's power, how did he get it, how does he began and how does he get away with it. so trumpocracy is of the system of enabling pickets the system in the white house and the system between trump and congress, the schism between trump and the media that enable them and create an audit pickets the system that involves the republican donor in it, the traditional element of the republican party and above all between him and that core group of his voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and then go on to the presidency. >> watch "after words" sunday night at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. >> last month former secretary of state henry kissinger and george scholz appear before the senate armed services committee to talk about the trum

bush white house speech writer david frum will argue that the trump administration is damaging democracy. >> who are they? who are the enablers? how do you break them down? >> let's start with concentric circles. first, there are those who immediately serve him who lie for him. and i think, i mean, often for, understandably, the noble reasons like h.r. mcmaster lying to conceal the fact the president of the united states does not want to honor the nato treaty. they are the larger executive to branch, outside the white house. the department of justice and fbi, staffed with people like rod rosenstein. they've never seen -- rod rosenstein seems like a conscientious and not very imaginative person struggling to do the right thing while also mollifying the president. trying to walk the line. and not understanding what a spirit of destruction, i mean, what he's negotiating with, how implacable. so a lot of people are baffled by in the executive branch. the people in the fbi as well trying to follow their traditional rules in the face of a president who's unlike anything else. and we widen it s

. >> david frum, good to be with you. >> thank you so much. i like the title of your book very much, it seems fitting that a president who is so brand conscious and likes to see his name on hotels, golf courses would get his own name with trumpocracy. with that in mind. can you define trumpocracy and how you came up with this concept? >> we're all mesmerized by donald trump's out-sized personality. it's natural to believe that the personality is the secret of what's going on. trumpocracy which comes from the root of democracy and autocracy is a book about the study of power. that's what the suffix means. this is the study of donald trump's power, how does he get it. maintain it, how does he get away with it. trumpocracy is the system of enabling, the system at the white house, between trump and congress, and the media that enabled him to create an audience. the system that involves the republican donor-- and between him and the core group within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and go on to the presidency.

for more on the investigation and the president's response we arejoined by david frum — former speechwriterocracy. on that last tweet, is it true donald trump has been tougher on the russians? it could not be a more extreme version of the truth. president trump thinks no one can remember more than 12 hours in the past but throughout the election of 2016, president trump implored russian help and benefited from it. his campaign delivered on a series of lea ks, his campaign delivered on a series of leaks, including his campaign delivered on a series of lea ks, including the his campaign delivered on a series of leaks, including the sanctions that congress almost passed for helping trump which have not been implemented. the tendency is to focus on the personality of donald trump but your book says focus on what is happening. you argue there are constitutional scenes which are starting to split? exactly. united states is a big bureaucratic state, one person can only do so much on its own. donald trump is at the centre of the system which failed to stop and no enables them. there is hope that a

david frum in his recent book describes the white house staff as a bunch of c list talents pledging their loyalty and willing to accept debev trail. but let's look what else is going on here, chris, and it's this. this president we know go back to the porter comments, believes that white men of privilege hold a different place in this society. so when he tweets out ideas of due process and innocent until proven guilty, those ideas are right. but by his own word and deed we know what he is doing is projecting his own judgment of the case on the american people. and that's why we can't accept the tweets that we saw this weekend. >> great point. on saturday, donald trump tweeted, as you said, david, people's lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. some are true and some are false. of course that's true. but some are old and some are new there is no recovery for someone falsely accused. life and career are gone. is there no such thing any longer as due process? his argument for due process struck many as a bit hole low. while he has defended friends like roger ailes, bil

bush and atlantic columnist david frum with his book "trumpocracy" ."is interviewed by "washington post" nonfiction book critic carlos losada. >> "trumpocracy" come from the same root as democracy and autocracy is a book about the study of power. that's what the suffix means. this is the study of donald trump's power, how did he get it, retain, , how does he get ay with it? so trumpocracy is the system of enabling, a system of between trump and on congress, the sysm between trump and the media that enable him and create an audience, the system that involves the republican donor elite, the traditional elements, and above all between him and that core group of his voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and then go on to the presidency. >> watch "after words" sunday night at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. >> hello. welcome to cambridge forum life in harvard square, thank you for joining us for what promises to be a time and somewhat edgy discussion about trust. a small word but one which huge ramification i

bush and atlantic columnist david frum with his book "trumpocracy, the corruption of the american republic." he's interviewed by "washington post" nonfiction book critic. >> trumpocracy is a book about the study of power. that's what the suffix means. this is the study of donald trump's power, how does he get it? how does he maintain it and how does he get away with if? trumpocracy is the system of enabling, it's system in the white house, the system between trump and congress, the system between trump and the media that enable him and create an audience. it's the system that involves his -- the republican donor elite, the traditional elements of the republican bheert have succumbed to him and above all the core group of the voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and then go on to the presidency. >> watch "after words" sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >>> next, international monetary fund director christ ianella guard joins a conversation on the global economic outlook as part of the world economic forum in davos, switzerland. >> and so delighted ag

bush and atlantic columnist david frum with his book "trumpocracy, the corruption of the american republic." he's interviewed by "washington post" nonfiction book critic. >> trumpocracy is a book about the study of power. that's what the suffix means. this is the study of donald trump's power, how does he get it? how does he maintain it and how does he get away with if? trumpocracy is the system of enabling, it's system in the white house, the system between trump and congress, the system between trump and the media that enable him and create an audience. it's the system that involves his -- the republican donor elite, the traditional elements of the republican bheert have succumbed to him and above all the core group of the voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the republican nomination and then go on to the presidency. >> watch "after words" sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >>> next, international monetary fund director christ ianella guard joins a conversation on the global economic outlook as part of the world economic forum in davos, switzerland.

bush and atlantic columnist david frum, with his book. afterwords,he's interviewed byn post nonfiction book critic. >> trumpocracy, which comes from the same root of democracy and autocracy, is a book about the study of power. this is the study of donald trump's power. how did he get it, how did he obtain it, how he gets away with it. it is the system of enabling. it is the system between trump and congress, between trump and the media that enabled him. it is a system that involveshe'n post nonfiction the republican donor elite. and above all, between him and that core group of his voters within the republican party who enabled him to win the nomination and go on to the presidency. >> watch sunday night at 9:00 eastern on c-span2's book tv. >> >> next, a look at election security ahead of the 2018 midterms. this event included doug lute, deputy of homeland security at the homeland security advisor. from the chicago council on global affairs, this is one hour. >> this evening,