and david frumm is a former speechwriter for george w. bush. annie, let me start with you just on the basics. that threat from trump today via twitter to close down the southern border, his chief of staff there, new chief of staff mick mulvaney saying, hey, this is serious. what is your sense, what is your reporting? twitter bluster or is there a potential plan that could be

it gets to what david frumm said in our last segment. he was basically saying trump ultimately doesn't have any leverage in this. he's going to have to keep backing down. do you agree with that assessment? >> no, i think he does have leverage. he has a pretty good issue on his side. it's fun to play the blame game of who's at fault for closing the government. the vice president, the white house chief of staff, the president's son-in-law went to capitol hill and made an offer to democrats. i know nancy pelosi actually did leave town. she's the one in hawaii right now, a beautiful resort, i highly recommend it. the president is here, ready to make a deal. but the democrats are being pushed into a corner by their left wing. mulvaney signaling he's willing to make a compromise and come down off that very low $5.7 billion figure. but if you look at this, the democrats won congress by winning moderate districts in orange county, western pennsylvania, upstate new york, and by going to the far left. i really think they're the ones who are going