dominic grieve, david gauke and others. you that some tory colleagues seem to find so objectionable? >> well, i think that the three characters that you mention were apart from anything else, i mean, they've all at various times been very friendly towards me . michael heseltine was my me. michael heseltine was my predecessor in henley . dominic predecessor in henley. dominic grieve was my was the neighbouring mp. >> they've all been scathing about you. it's like nicholas soames as well, churchill's grandson. >> and there's a very, very negative about you. >> what is it about you that rubs people up the wrong way? >> well, i think that that you have to face the fact that they had a particular view of the uk, which i don't share. i believe that we're great if we do things on our own. i think we're great. i think that national independence is extremely important, and i think that that point is proved beyond peradventure of a doubt in unleashed. yes, because having secured full national independence, we were able to do things d

. >> well, chaired by former lord chancellor david gauke , the chancellor david gauke, the review hopest no government ever finds itself in this position again. >> we're joined now by social campaigner and entrepreneur winston davis and political commentator theo usherwood on all of this. winston, first of all, i'm assuming my friend, you're an advocate of this. >> it's not about being an advocate. it's that the government have got not many choices. they've not had many choices. they've not had many choices. and actually, this has been going on for over a year. rishi sunak he released 10,000 prisoners early that got headuned prisoners early that got headlined in july. prisoners early that got headlined in july . you know, headlined in july. you know, they started doing this scheme last october because the prisons were overcrowded. yet the tory government, they knew about the prison crisis back in february 2020, when rishi sunak was the chancellor, they said if you don't do something 2022, 2023, there's going to be a problem and we're at 2024 will be a huge problem. so this is just putti

it will be led by former conservative justice minister david gauke. >> well, 30 years, governments of all colours have been very quick to announce new and longer prison sentences and not so quick to expand the prison capacity , and the family of capacity, and the family of chris kaba say they will fight on after the police officer who shot him to death is cleared of murder. >> the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, said the system of holding the police to account is broken. >> first of all, i worry for the pubuc >> first of all, i worry for the public the more we crush the spirit of good officers, the less they can fight crime . less they can fight crime. >> writer dies in prison 61 year old grandfather peter lynch was jailed for two years for violent disorder after screaming at police, shouting racist abuse and calling asylum seekers child killers during the riots this summer . but killers during the riots this summer. but should he have been locked up in the first place and protect our pies? >> very serious. this conservative mp, richard holden is on a mission to get

it's being led by the former justice secretary, david gauke, and is expected to explore using technology like sobriety tags and nudge apps to monitor offenders. the results from that review are expected by the spring of next year. from that review are expected by the spring of next year . we've the spring of next year. we've heard this morning that water companies in england and wales want to raise their bills, even higher than they had first requested, southern water is seeking an 84% hike, while thames water, the uk's biggest provider, wants to raise its bills by 4,053% by by 2030. only wessex water isn't pushing for more than what was asked for in july. off . what's interim july. off. what's interim decision had allowed for a 21% rise, with the final ruling expected in december . government expected in december. government borrowing has surged to its highest level since the pandemic, driven by public sector pay rises and rising interest rates on debt. borrowing. last month hit £16.6 billion. that's the third highest september on record , highest september on record, despite a rise in

. >> and they've put david gauke, who's the former tory justice secretary, in charge of the sentencing review, which i suppose was a good move from them. they can sort of make it sort of like the tories are involved and so on, which makes a lot of sense to me. and they're looking at what they can do. liberalising, liberalisation of sentencing laws because the prisons are so full, they might look at everyone in the country has to take in a violent offender. i've just made that up . offender. i've just made that up. that wasn't actually true. don't panic. >> you basically first you heard it here first. what about this? this gratitude though towards starmer, paul, this this front coveris starmer, paul, this this front cover is selling us big up to kyiv for letting me out early. yeah. >> big old sarcasm. >> big old sarcasm. >> i mean, in a country where, you know, religion is on the decline, it's nice to see some gratitude for your lot in life. >> yeah, absolutely. but this is pure sarcasm, isn't it? i would suggest that sir keir starmer takes this front page and puts it in the place where

had keir starmer not just appointed the former conservative justice minister david gauke, to conductview of prison sentencing, surely that's someone that starmer is blaming for this mess. also, 12% of the prison population are foreign nationals , population are foreign nationals, reportedly. maybe keir starmer could start by deporting them. or would that upset his mates in nonh or would that upset his mates in north london anyway? he doesn't understand people's anger. people are actually angry because of him. you know, we've got a gbh and kidnap hooligan being whisked away in a bentley so we can make way for people like peter lynch, who was sentenced to an unprecedented two years and eight months for a non—violent offence during the disorder. this summer, he reportedly took his own life in prison at the weekend. keir starmer has made a prison at the weekend. keir starmer has made

the sentencing review will be led by david gauke. him, he did shabana mahmood'sjob. he was remember him, he did shabana mahmood's job. he was a justice secretary under theresa may. nonetheless, he has expressed some views on this which may align with where the government is headed. he has talked about questioning whether some of the prison sentences of six months or less are ever really worth it. that might tally with some of the ideas that you are hearing better, more home detention. so kind of a modern form of house arrest. the government is also looking at something that happened in texas, where people get credit for good behaviour, rehabilitation programmes and so on. but a lot of this boils down to philosophical questions. does this new government think prison works and if so, what kinds of prisoners? we will find out in the coming months.— of prisoners? we will find out in the coming months. a man has died and 15 people are being treated for injuries after two trains collided in mid wales. investigations are taking place after