. >>> joining us to discuss david gergen, former adviser to president nixon, ford, reagan and clinton. good to see you, as always, david. if we pick up with those comments from former maryland governor larry hogan, you also had former governor asa hutc hutchinson. larry hogan said elected office isn't the only way to make a difference. there is a frustration about the divisive politics in this country and yet the loudest most extreme voices do continue to dominate. do you see a scenario where that changes at all? >> we will have to wait and see, erica. good to be here this morning and i must tell you that i think increasingly the -- this has become a two-person race, there's trump and there's desantis and then there's everybody else on the republican side and no one in that everybody else column, i think, has a chance to really advance until desantis has been checked out. the press -- we know all about donald trump, more than we want to know in some cases, but desantis has not gone through that kind of screening and the press -- the press will be doing that in the next few weeks becau

uh i didn't know whether you meant david gergen or david. sorry david gergen. i'm sorry. yes and david gergen. yes. i don't think i do think a case needs to be made to those voters. it's very important and choosing stormy daniels is your opening bid. i don't think it was very helpful, and i was still surprised by that. but i must tell you that overall, i think that basically donald trump has done as a future president. i did it just it seems inconceivable to me that a man has been indicted. on the kind of charges he had, and the fact that he may well go to jail. it's just inconceivable that we as a great nation will turn to him for leadership. after this, you know, i and i and the fact we have that the people who brought this indictment we're not the fbi. you know top people. they weren't the top people in politics. there were there was a grand jury of americans. cross country cross fertilization of americans, so you put all that together and it just seems to me. it spells the end of donald trump as president, reminding everybody on the 23 members of the grand jury. we do

david gergen on active duty told the authors. they think my only value as a black woman, they think that if they only value but if you cut our ship open with a missile will all play the same color. the report also found almost 94% of sailors and interviewed believe the navy suffers from a crisis of leadership and culture. sailors told the authors the fleet suffered critical loss of focus from primary purpose of this is critical considering the threats we face. general milley, i guess i'll start with you. you have served us are 43 years. you mention this may be your last hearing so when you're and sitting there with your fellow patriots who served and watched great changes occur and a military over 40 years can you look them in the eye, can you look us in eye today and say that the eei and wokeness strengthen our military weakened it? >> well, i would tell you the purpose of those programs is e pluribus unum, to build teamwork so-and-so forth in some cases they may not be working at the way but that is the purpose of the programs