while government, residents and local businesses argue over the role of the libraries, david godeski ust glad they're here. >> having a place like this where things are controlled, it's a godsend. >> so godeski will be back every day he can. . >> i'm david shuster, and you are watching "talk to al jazeera", with sir ken robinson, a leading thinker on innovation and creativity. >> so many people would agree that the education system doesn't foster creativity, are you optimistic that at some point american society will realise this and turn things around? >> america is a resilient culture, there's always reason to be optimistic. it would be wrong to underestimate the challenges. it has major economic purposes, but they are social, cultural and personal. and it's important that we pay attention. at the moment on average across the country it's estimated that one in three students who start the ninth grade don't graduate in the 12th grade. i hesitate to use the word dropout. to call someone a dropout implies they fail. most probably the school fails them. there are lots of programs design