. >> was that david gordon? >> david gordon was the acting chairman, yes. in front of me scratched out the offending paragraph of that memorandum. >> there's no question in your mind the memo that you read one paragraph of which you found objectionable was responsive -- would have been responsive to the request to get information to get professor cole. this is what somebody had crafted and prepared in response to that sort of request? >> it was a response to a request for personal information about professor juan cole, yes. >> not substantive information about his views about the iraq war or middle eastern affairs but personal information that would have been deemed derogatory or critical or useful in an effort to discredit? >> who is juan cole, the man, and to include inappropriate personal assessments of him or behaviors he would engage in. none of which i recall whatsoever. >> clearly just to complete the circle, david gordon must have agreed with you because as you say he x'd out one of the paragraphs coming to the same conclusion you did that it was no