speed is from occupy london by me calling from london and david graber from occupied new york so i want to put this program in really sort of two parts the first part so i want to understand how occupy came to be. sort of people who are involved political background or organizing it and conducting its affairs and spreading it and then looking into where it's going to go. to david where where do you think this movement came to eventually cause you'll get patients zuccotti park and then spread out to the rest of united states or i think there's been sort of a global movement and i guess it's sort of in tunisia and sort of swept across the mediterranean greece spain is really the same movement that in america there a lot of people from greece and spain who are involved in the very early days and even before the occupation of parking or putting it together so that i think there's really a global ferment alexy you are involved in this us day of rage back back in may two thousand and ten but did you see that as as the time of going into sort of. the transition from cyberspace to meet space or