david greenglass was a machinist. he was in the army, as i was. luckily for me i do not associate with him because i didn't like him. >> did you know ted hall? murray: no, i did not know ted hall. well, i probably met him. when he became famous later, i barely remembered him. >> the bomb, and the race with the germany [indiscernible] murray: should we have built that bomb? and having built it, should we have used it? these are issues which are just the reflections of a person who has been thinking about it for many years. it has little to do with my experience directly at los alamos. i was not part of any of these decision processes. it was known, not by us, that the germans had given up, i think -- around 1942, i think, certainly around 1934 -- 1944. racing against the germans was some powerful incentive to work on it. we certainly knew when the war ended that we were no longer in a race with germany. we continued work on it at the same pace, taking the experimenters, taking the same deadly risks without giving it a moment's thought, most of us.

that is a very hard question. , tedd david greenglass hall, and perhaps there were other leaks too. general growth would have liked to have treated the place like a prison camp. it was not that way. oppenheimer felt we would make much better progress in people could share problems and solutions. i'm sure that if they had really clamped down, if none of us was , ifwed to leave the mesa the exterior fomite, if they had monitored closely whom we spoke to and when, rather than relying on us to use discretion, i'm sure the leaks would have been slower. hand, someone knew the only important secret before he came to los alamos. that was that we felt we could do it, and we work working on it. all the rest, it helps them to know some things, but that was the big thing. that is when stalin knew he had to get his guys working on it. secret available? the soviets knew about our project from the big go. go.the get they knew about the project. they were provided with marvelous technological information, i'm sure. to the moscow institute at the time, the russian equivalent to los alamos . this in

peshkin: oh, david greenglass was a machinist. luckily for me, i did not associate with him because i didn't like him. ms. kelly: did you know ted? mr. peshkin: no. ms. kelly: no. mr. peshkin: i did not know ted hall. well, i probably met him, but i didn't have -- when his name -- when he became famous later, i barely remembered him. ms. kelly: [indiscernible] mr. peshkin: well, should we have built. bomb? -- built that bomb? and having built it, should we have used it? which are justs the reflections of a person who has been thinking about it for many years. it has little to do with my experience directly at los alamos. i was not part of any of these decision processes, of course. well, it was known -- not by us -- that the germans had given up around 1942, i think. certainly by 1944. we were building it because we were in a race with the germans. and, roy, that was some powerful incentive to work on it. we certainly knew when the war ended that we were no longer in a race with germany. we continue to work on it at the same pace,