good to talk to you, david hawkings. >> thank you. >> shepard: david hawkings, formerly the senior editor at roll call. the trial was president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, could go to the jury tomorrow. the defense rested. then -- i should say the prosecution rested. then it was his turn for his lawyers to defend themselves to say here's our defense. you know, you don't have to offer a defense. they did not offer a defense. we'll talk to a lawyer that can look at the case from both sides. first, bottom of the hour headlines on a busy news day coming up in just a moment. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop with free 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes. start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. like these for only a 25 cents at office depot officemax. >> i'm lea gabrielle with a fox report. more with today's headlines. you can't always count on traction control in rainy weather. check out this video of flood waters sweeping cars away from a new jersey dealership. it happen

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david: is anybody taking that seriously? about deficitk hawks.nk you can find one in washington. tim: people who say bipartisanship in d.c. is dead, whenever you put a bloated budget bill that funds pork and corporate cronyism, you can find a bunch of folks from both parties. they have one more chance. i think that is the biggest test for this congress is that next spending bill coming up at the end of september. the immigration is important. we need a genuine comprehensive immigration strategy. what we have pushed is simplified it and go for two fundamental keys. number one, border security. that is a reasonable and good request. provide the funding for that. number two, let's give legal certainty to gamers. , they deserve and they need a certainty of other legal status. we think it should lead to citizenship. let's give certainty to them. then you can work through the other details of immigration. david: on the question of the deficit, have you found serious candidates who have a chance of leading us toward deficit reform? tim: i mentioned marc

hawks. come across like we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing american exceptionalism. ok david you know ever since trump entered the the oval office a lot of it's been trying to understand if there's a rhyme or reason to his foreign policy and i think that even on this program it's kind of coming together it seems to me it's kind of like going back to the nineteenth century great powers competition without all the values that they were pushed since the second world war it just it's just really kind of brute power and advantage and looking for competitive advantage and it's very brusque and it seems to appeal just as interesting pointed out to us in the first part of the program it does appeal to his base go ahead david. yeah i think you know it appears to be all donald trump but just as you know reagan and gorbachev came out of the meeting and were told by their advisers no no no you can't get rid of nuclear weapons every time trump has a good idea like get rid of now after nato he talks to his advisors and it's off the table i think that you know it was actually an actual brea

hawking's. i hope you will please tell her, nothing against you chris, i was hoping she was standing there. for those of you who read rollcall, as good as her husband david hawkins is, she's the smart one in the family. i also want to mention to people who taught me what it meant to be a crs staffer and to be nonpartisan, to care about the congress, and not about whether or not you got the credit. i learned it at the foot of a great master who was no longer with us, but every day want to do this man proud, but i want to mention, one person who was still there and to people who have retired. still at crs, and for those of you who have access to previous congressional quarterlies, the great walter who is probably the finest teacher of college and graduate students, just spent 50 years there and still loves going to work everyday, i think he's crazy, but all the power to him. and to retired staffers, one who worked on policy and one who is, as i used to say, my attorney, both of whom were nice enough despite being retired to come downtown at 8:00 a.m., and that's jean jones and mike campbell and i'd like to acknowledge them and then i want to tell a couple

is normally a hawk, and she is committed to four rate hikes this year, but how many would actually get will depend, as she said, on the data and whether other people are convinced. davidmuch september is baked in. over 90% probability. i have a chart the talks about december and next march. the white line is about a 62% hike in december. esther george thinks there will be, but it is only a 60% -- only a 62% likelihood. it is 50/50 in march. some have said we may have to slow down here some. mike: we will be talking with rob kaplan about this tomorrow on bloomberg television, so we will get updated feelings on that. the fed funds predictions are about as useful as the polls that showed hillary clinton with a big victory over donald trump in 2016. what is happening right now, and -- and they tell you what is happening right now but not what will happen in december. we will get a lot of data between now and then. but the staff sees the strength we saw in the second quarter continuing. some economists and fed officials said they thought maybe that was the peak of growth and that we might slow down the rest of the year. so if we continue very strong see that fedould funds

hawks. come across like we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing american exceptionalism. ok david you know. ever since trump entered the the oval office a lot of it's been trying to understand if there's a rhyme or reason to his foreign policy and i think that even on this program it's kind of coming together it seems to me it's kind of like going back to the nineteenth century great powers competition without all the values that they were pushed since the second world war it's just it's just really kind of brute power and it vantage and looking for competitive advantage and it's very brusque and it seems to appeal just as interested pointed out to us in the first part of the program it does appeal to his base go ahead david. yeah i think you know it appears to be all donald trump but just as you know reagan and gorbachev came out of the meeting and were told by their advisers no no no you can't get rid of nuclear weapons every time trump has a good idea like get rid of nafta or rid of nato he talks to his advisors and it's off the table i think that you know it was actually an ac