. >> and george herbert walker bush got elected with dan quayle on the ticket. >> no, no, i'm saying i'm with davidt the -- doesn't romney seem like an orderly guy, a 9:00 to 5:00 guy. not honorable does she look presidential, the running mate, but somebody who would give you their own state, which would be ohio, an essential state for republican candidates. >> look, david corn made my point. by talking about sarah palin. it's just -- you run a huge risk when you put someone on the ticket who causes voters to to mistrust your judgment by choosing someone who is not self-evidently from day one ready to be president. and as you say, chris, i think when it comes to mitt romney, you look at rob portman and you can see a sympaticoness. >> let's talk about your rule. when you pick that prn, it says who you are. let's talk, i want you to pick up here, john. if president obama, whatever he says when he does it, if he drops joe biden and brings in -- and brings in secretary of state clinton to replace him and even giving him the promise of the secretary of state job in her place, does that make him look str