joining me now, david ignacious and ambassador wendy sherman, former undersecretary state for political affairs and global affairs contributor. welcome both. ambassador, you've negotiated with the north koreans and know they lie, cheat, steal, whatever. they now have an icbm capable of reaching the midwestern united states, not armed. but is lindsey graham right, we should take some military action or is dianne feinstein correct, which is that we don't know where all their stuff is. >> the truth is, i think lindsey graham was saying let's destroy the country and, of course, that's an option. but really terrible one. as you pointed out, as senator feinstein pointed out, that would be devastating to millions of people. and not necessarily take care of all of the risk that is here. i think that what senator feinstein was suggesting in terms of a high level effort, quietly, if possible, to really engage and see what's possible here while we put all of the rest of our tools to work, sanctions, military posturing, missile defense, intelligence, cyber, everything, and go at this problem in a s