>> rose: david ignatius or david kirkpatrick. either one? david ignatius. >> yes, i'd be surprised if the army was enthusiastic about return to military rule, outright military rule. i think they want to avoid that. i think a way the army has been trying to push the obama administration with its tour from deadline as fouad ajami said was not a smart idea, kind of push the u.s. into taking sides and maybe they're surprised the administration hasn't. one point that i would add to the discussion that we're having is the liberals in egypt have made so many mistakes. blunder after blunder. but they are uniting -- i mean, the number of people in the streets, the messages i get from friends in cairo, the tweets that you read, i mean, this is something that egypt didn't see even in february of 2011 when mubarak was forced out. so there is this movement to challenge morsi. morsi's popularity has collapsed as he govern. it's interesting that the same kind of thing in the streets, challenging islamic parties, challenging clerical rule in iran is -- you

david ignatius is a columnist for the "washington post" and writes extensively about intelligence and national and thomas kleine-brockhoff is a resident fellow at the german marshall fund, a non-government organization aimed at strengthening transatlantic cooperation. david ignatius, you heard two top american officials basically say two slightly different versions of, well, everybody does it. does everybody do it? >> well, from everything i know about the world of intelligence, yes, everyone does do it. intelligence agencies exist to break the laws of foreign countries. it's important that they not break the laws of their own countries, but they're out there to steal the secrets that our country... people who run the agencies believe are crucial for safety and security. what's surprising about this latest iteration of the n.s.a. scandal is its hard to imagine that the information being stolen from our e.u. allies from bugged missions and other diplomatic facilities is essential to u.s. national security. and i think that's one of the tricky aspects of this latest thing. does everybod

columnist david ignatius of the "washington post." and our cbs news political director john dickerson. susan, i just want to start with john boehner and what he talked to me about. we are seeing a very different kind of speaker, are we not? this is not tip o'neil who had an agenda. this is not jim wright. this is not even denis hastert. this is not bob dole when he was the leader of the senate republicans. he seems to see his job more as sort of a lawyer that's been hired by the majority to sort of represent them and then carry out their wishes. >> he kind of described the job as he was a concierge for the republican house caucus. and, you know, the thing that that says to me is that the immigration bill, not going to become law this year because to do big, hard things that divide the country, like the civil rights legislation in the 1960s, it required congressional leaders who were willing to take big steps to push their caucus around sometimes, to get things through. it does not sound like that's going to happen on immigration. >> i

and we also have robert gibbs, david ignatius. a lot going on this morning, including more developments in anthony weiner's bid for new york city mayor. he's still in the race despite his campaign manager stepping down this weekend. now it's reported he spent campaign cash to investigate who sent the text messages. he knew he had sent them. around the table really quick, do you agree with what we came on with? steve rattner, should he get out? >> as axelrod said, you can get a second chance in america. i think a third chance is a bridge too far. >> harold? >> he's focusing on how do you restore middle class to the middle class? >> yes. >> david? >> yes. >> i have to tell you, it is becoming a tiring conversation. it's hard to read at this point because there's a lot of people lashing out at his wife. and also the spending controversy against mcdonald. we'll look at the items that were purchased. charges now filed against the driver of the train that derailed in spain that killed at least 79 people. how do we know the difference be

david ignatius, this is almost a year to the day that president morsi was sworn in as president of egypt. pushed there by his muslim brotherhood political party. what is the status, david, of the muslim brother hood, president morsi, an the split, apparently, within that country between the president, the judiciary and the army that is still -- you tell us. >> this has been over the last year a great experiment, i would say, in the ability of muslim brotherhood party, muslim democrats, to govern each effectively and right now you have to say that experiment is failing. morsi's popularity was about 58% when you add in all the versions of positive a year ago. it's down to about 28%. the main opposition group has been gathering signatures for a pe sitition petition. they claim they have 15 million people signed on that petition. they had some millions in the streets yesterday. my friends in cairo were tweeting me as they may have been tweeting you and the whole world, saying they had never seen anything like this. as you say, the key question in the days i head is what -- ahead is what the

joining us from washington, columnist for "the washington post," david ignatius.h us. we're going to dive in to talk about what's going on in egypt. the clock is ticking. 23 people reported dead after clashes there. the president mohamed morsi is defiant, vowing last night not to resign while vowing to protect his constitutional legitimacy with his life, if necessary. he's at odds with his own military, which has set this new deadline for a deal to come today. if no agreement is reached, the army will sus pend the country's constitution and dissolve parliament. all this as hundreds of thousands descend on tahrir square, spelling out their message to morsi, as you see there, in lasers on building. joining us is chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, as you've seen with the protesters, there are the opponents of morsi, but then there is a popular force that support his presidency. is all of this coming to the boiling point at 11:00 a.m. eastern? >> reporter: it could be coming to a boiling point fairly soon. we've just been told the army is going to iss