but local journalist david jamieson thinks that is unrealistic. the idea all independent scottish membership of the european union or nobody knows what terms and nobody knows what basis and it's a totally untested proposition before school because we know that 62 percent voted for it for the u.k. the membership of the european union in store but that would be wildly different for all of its membership let's remind ourselves as well that the european union is a very different organization for its major states its largest states france germany and formally u.k. it's a very different proposition for its much smaller states and i think it is in debate on a future independent scotland's membership of the european union then those issues will come sharply into focus and we should expect. that stores will be more critical of the idea than they were in the 2016 referendum when of course they were voting for a much larger state to stay in the european union and many more dangers facing scotland joining unity in union as a new small state. british health wo

to discuss the situation further we're joined live by a scottish journalist and writer david jamieson from the noise of scotland's pro europe an anti breaks it crowd right now you think there's only one opinion on the subject north of the border is that the case. no it isn't though it should be stressed is of course true the stores quoted by 62 percent to remain in the european union and as meaningful. skolem's scores have been taken over of the european union against the well underlines the democratic deficit in the u.k. but it doesn't offer a clear way forward in terms of the s. and p. leadership so colmes independence in europe strategy because war. what we voted for in 2016. scottish membership via the u.k. of the european union is no longer on the table. war they simply leadership is advocating independence or membership of the european union is a totally new proposition there's no 62 percent for the so really there's all to play for her so what do you make of scotland's later than tweeting that the country will be back soon to. well this is a very untested idea in scottish polit

david jamieson is the west midlands police and crime commissioner and a former labour mp.rmingham. did the home secretary clarify things for you today?” did the home secretary clarify things for you today? i think she did andi things for you today? i think she did and i think we've got some pictures now of what the rules are. but we've got to have consistency. consistency for the public to understand what the rules are and secondly for police to enforce the rules and the law where it's appropriate. just look at what's happened in the last few days, we had matt hancock saying only move in the close vicinity of where you live. then we got the prime minister going off on a seven mile cycle ride, then we got the police saying a cycle ride would have been okay. that is just totally inconsistent and totally unclear, so what we need from the government is to spell out exactly what it is that it should be expected of people under the rules. you've just said that you think the rules are clear, having heard the home secretary, so the people who have flouted those rules have done wro

let's discuss this with david jamieson, the police and crime commissioner for the west midlands.bing. these people are spreading the virus, they are also putting their own lives at risk. it does cross my mind as well that when people break the law, two laws in this way, they are actually putting the police officer lives at risk as well. 0rganising and attending events like this is unacceptable. in terms of the government, and penalties, is this the right way forward which mac will make a difference? there is a limit in terms of police officers on the ground being able to and then break up ground being able to and then break up weddings or his parties? please resources are _ up weddings or his parties? please resources are limited. _ up weddings or his parties? please resources are limited. my - up weddings or his parties? please resources are limited. my own i up weddings or his parties? please | resources are limited. my own force has lost a quarter of its officers since 2010. nevertheless, our officers are well focused and will tackle it where we can. i'm not sure that raising