i'm now joined by kurt bar della, and former representative david jolley of florida., also an msnbc political analyst. curt, first to you. president biden actually called vladimir putin, quote, a war criminal. this week. do you interpret this use of language, is it ratcheting up the rhetoric? is it a strategic move by the white house? how do you assess this? >> i think it's the president calling a person who he is. this is one of the situations where the president astutely looked at what was happening and says that anyone with reason, anyone with a brain, with a heart, he reached the conclusion and have already made as well. you know, we look and have to call things what they are. president putin is a war criminal. president biden was right to call him that. >> david, this weeks with north carolina republican congressman madison call putin a thug. do you think there's a real split, or does congressman cawthorn -- >> it's a small element, but almost the loudest voice in the room. madison is not a serious representative. he has very little understanding of the geopoliti