we are now joined by jennifer reuben, and david jolly.ust heard captain sully sullenberger talking about his need to speak publicly to the american people about the need to change leadership in washington. i just want to get your reaction to what you heard captain sullenberger say. >> he was so impressive, wasn't he. he spoke to, i think, our highest aspirations, our highest values and though i read his piece in our paper many times, hearing those words were even more impressive, i think. and i think he got to something which i've tried to communicate to my readers and that is this is really about your values, what kind of country do we want to be, it's certainly about specific issues, health care, education, immigration, but it's something much more fundamental. it's about whether we want to live in a culture and a political scene which lying passes for truth, in which fear mongering and really hatred and playing to our worst possible impulses is going to prevail or not, and i do feel that there's that sense out there now, perhaps in the

i know a lot of republicans like david jolly that were conservative maybe fiscally. but you have seen even those kind of republicans who are like andrew jolly in temperament follow right along behind donald trump, fall in line with ron desantis. what happened to that republican party? >> well, that is no longer the republican party. this is the republican party of donald trump. and, so, for a number of people what has happened is trump has come in, and he has remade the republican party in his image for better or for worse. >> is it really in his image? we have had in the past the southern strategy going back to richard nixon. it is not as if republicans have never used race before. pete wilson in california, it is not new. it is not donald trump. there is something happening in the party, right? >> they have, in fact, used it in the past. but what we essentially -- where we are right now it seems like, for example, in the state of florida, why are we not talking about health care? why are we not talking about sugar? why are we not talking about algae? we are talking

donna, thank you, david jolly, thank you.i who pointed out that the president has a paperback version of his book out today. david jolly pointed out the president adopted a dog and invited the press along. both would be signs he is, ncht, running for president. thank you all for your reporting as well. >>> all the democrats weighing a run in 2020 watched the midterm results in florida closely. what's next for the party after two very close statewide losses. msnbc's chris jansing talked to some active democrats in that state about how they are trying to turn things around. >> a lot dejected but determined, but i'm very dejected because i feel that the best candidates lost. >>> meanwhile, massachusetts starts selling legal recreational pot today making it the tenth state to do so. what does that mean for the green wave nationwide? i can't believe it. that grandpa's nose is performing "flight of the bumblebee?" ♪ no, you goof. i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. nice. i kno

leading off our discussion now david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. neera tanden, she was hillary clinton's policy director during the 2008 presidential campaign. and cornell belcher, the democratic pollster and msnbc political analyst is with us. and david jolly, i want to start with you and i want to start with what strikes me as possibly the most prohibitive number for donald trump. 16% of republicans do not want donald trump re-elected. >> and it's likely going to get worse, not better. look, to kevin mccarthy's point and with all due respect it's not a structural problem republicans have. it's a policy problem republicans have. and in full disclosure i was part of that small group of republicans a few years back that blocked kevin mccarthy's asn ascension to the speakership, the first time he tried to become leader because i told him point-blank that republicans refuse to address comprehensive immigration reform, kept pursuit of repeal of obamacare without replace. and that was when republicans controlled the house. we know the republican caucus

still with us, donna edwards, david jolly, former members of congress both.gresswoman, you have written that nancy pelosi will be the republican's nightmare. i will say for clarity and fairness, no one can screw this up quite like the democrats. already next week non-democrat bernie sanders is putting together a gathering of his wing of the party up in vermont. make the case. i know you're a pelosi person. make the case why the former speaker should be the future speaker. >> i am. this is really a simple question. i mean, right now democrats will hold the house of representatives, but they need to make sure that they can hit the ground running. they come in with someone nancy pelosi who is effective, she's proven, she's battle-tested. she's been there before. she knows how to herd the cats and the various factions of the democratic party. that will set us on a course not just to hold the majority in 2018, but to win one in 2020 and to make sure that we have an agenda so that we can carry the white house as well. i just happen to believe i worked under nancy p

david jolly, former republican of the great state of florida. good evening, and welcome to you both. congresswoman, i'd like to read for you what nate silver tweeted tonight. "democrats are about even money right now to wind up with 40 or more house seats. unless there's something we don't know about, it looks like they'll win utah 4, bringing their florida 39, california 21 is a tossup. then they have outside chances in georgia 7, and new york 27." congresswoman, sooner or later, this starts looking like a blue wave. >> well, i think, you know, it started out on election night and we were together and it was a slow roll, but it really is a wave. and i think this is where listening to the president, it's almost like he doesn't know or believe that we have videotape that, you know, of him saying

and bob strum and david jolly as well.avid jolly, you describe yourself as someone who is no longer affiliated with the political party and that is about the man in the sen is ter of the contest, because he put himself there, and what is trump's influence on that race? >> well, florida is where donald trump remains popular among the republicans, and does well, but to kerry's point, one of the things they am looking out in addition to the turnout and the independent voters is the softening of the republican support for trump surrogates like rob desantis. i have publicly said that i would not be supporting rob desantis as a rejection of trumpism, and that is hard to measure. we can measure the republican turnout today, but the numbers exist internally among the candidates, and if desantis' numbers drop because of folks like myself, it is hard to regain the votes among the independents and the democrats, but ker are ri mentioned independents and we can measure by early voting which is 20% of the voters and if the independent

our former members of congress, donna edwards and david jolly are still with us. congressman jolley, can you name a republican or republicans in the u.s. senate who will cross the aisle and work on the mueller preservation act of 2018? >> no, because they would have done so already. and i credit mitt romney and other republican senators who at least suggested today that the probe should continue. but honestly, i believe that mitt romney is going to be the next jeff flake of the united states senate, because there's a difference between saying "we need justice to prevail" and actually doing something legislatively about it. it's why the importance of democrats taking the house matters. in the house rules package on january 3rd, house democrats can form a special select committee to convene its own investigation and if mueller has already been fired, they can subpoena mueller to be a witness. eventually, house democrats will get a mueller report. i think we've seen from republicans inside the beltway, particularly in the united states senate, they're not going to do

my thanks to david jolly and mike barbical, well not really thank you, but you were here.our. i'm john heilemann in for nicole wallace who will be back tomorrow. mtp daily is going to start now. katie, i'm going to ask you the question i asked chuck on friday. which do you prefer? i think you're wrong in this instance, but it was a

i want to bring in david jolly, a former republican congressman who's bucked his own party, already castingrew gillum for governor of florida. all that over ron desantis. good to see you. >> good to be with you today. >> okay, why? >> so listen, i normally don't talk about who i voted for but in this race, i did and, you know, it's important to talk about why because this is such a pivotal race. there are areas in which i find agreement with andrew gillum, at least closer to agreement than ron desantis. areas like medicaid access or health care access for underprivileged or lower income communities or gun control, having the responsibility to talk about gun control measures in a state where we saw parkland, just last night, we saw another six or seven injured in tallahassee. but it also clearly as a former republican is a rejection of trump, trumpism and trump surrogates. understanding in the state of florida, ron desantis put his toddler child in a commercial while instructing to build him a wall and read from donald trump books to his infant child. said i'll accept all things trump, the d

david jolly and the gang are still here at the table. matt miller, we've had this conversation..4 minutes of optimism that maybe whitaker would be convinced if the decision came to him to approve a opinion. he might be inclined to do so. new reporting in "the new york times" suggests that sources close to him say that would not be the case. is that where this is heading? the president won't sit for an interview. some semblance of written answers cobbled together between the president and his lawyers. where is this going next? >> you know, i think that's been the president's plan all along. i said this last week. i don't think it's a coincidence the president stalled on answering these questions n oan once he gets a new ag, lo and behold, he'll suddenly give these answers to the questions and won't answer the questions about obstruction of justice and i gather probably won't answer other things as well. one of the other things the president said over the weekend, you know, about whitaker is he didn't know his views on the case before appointing him. we just know that's not true f

so are the people, as david jolly points out, that are running down-ballot. ron desantis. last night's campaign event showcased the classic hits of trump revival, including a twist on the "lock her up" chants with "lock him up." >> right. desantis, there's been -- now in a similar way that clinton was run by against trump gillem is being run by against desantis. they're calling him a crook. >> let's play some of that. watch. >> maybe we should impeach gillem as mayor of tallahassee. >> from day one, he has gone completely to the gutter on this campaign. not talking to voters about what he wants to do, what he wants to achieve but rather trying to distract them with side shows. >> well, that kind of sums up the entire race. it's been a race about race from the beginning, august 29th, first day of the primary when desantis said the phrase monkey this up, warning voters not to choose gillum and out-of-state robo calls from a racist style uncle remis voet voice and these attacks that gillum has called racist in themselves because desantis is saying a black man can't be success

a man who is cornered and dangerous.ik let's bring in karine jean-pierre and former congressman david jolly of florida. david, let me start with you.t'n >> sure there. >> are many weeks in which the president acts in a strange and unhinged fashion, it's the sort of sunlts the basic pillars of democracy this week seem ar extremely acute. what do you make of it? >> i think we saw in that first day after the election in that press conference is this is a president who is emboldened, who has convinced himself that pr tuesday gave him a mandate and he won or is this a president tu who is in panic mode?is and i think as each day passes, this appears to be a president in panic mode.si from his interaction with jim acosta, from his comments at the press conference to what we sawm in the white house lawn today, frankly, to the firing of jeff sessions to what we're seeing with matt whitaker, this is a fr president i think that whether they won or lost on tuesday, this is a barn burner for him now. and we're seeing even as he engages in the election in florida, i expect he'll engage in the recount or

you have to assume the evidence is going to matter. >> david jolly is gone.seems like the only people willing to stand up against trump are those who don't have to stand against trump with the voters. >> chris, i was a sitting member of congress in december of '17 who called on trump to drop out of the race. there are several reasons i probably lost my last race. one was redistricting and that was the other one. you confront this president you lose. that's a greater test of leadership. instead republicans have become more trump-like, they've fallen in line on the hill. they're not howard baker. we know that. >> thank you. coming up, the justice department is preparing to criminally charge wikileaks leader julian assange. could this help prove the conspiracy to get trump elected in 2016? i think so. and in california, the wildfires continue to devastate the state. the president blamed the fires on gross mism managmanagement a threatened to withhold money. what message will he have for them tomorrow? >> plus, she's in it to win it. let me finnish tonight with t

david jolly, your view? >> i do think it's time for a change. i'm not inside the democratic caucus.epublican. i just think that after an election -- >> what are you, man? what are you at this point? >> i'm an independent. i'm just putting my analyst hat on and suggesting i'm surprised after this election there's an opportunity missed for democrats not reaching for change. and the inspiration seemed to come from beto, it came from gill and abrams and the leadership team of ten years ago surprises me. >> can i push you on that briefly. >> sure. you just named people, though, i think the congresswoman schakowsky's point, who lost. beto didn't get the promotion. gillum is still in a recount but is not ahead. so you're naming people who got attention but didn't win the way that pelosi put together a winning coalition. your rebuttal, sir. >> or ocasio cortez or the people who won the suburbs. aagree. nancy pelosi is a skilled tactician. she was a successful speaker of the house. she also presided over the loss of the house in 2010 and over eight years in the minority for democrats so for

and democrats had very good nights in all of those states. >> david jolly, what was your big takeawayight? you're a guy from florida. i was surprised to see desantis do well there. >> he pulled it out by a small margin. congratulations to my republican friends who are victorious in races, particularly in florida, but democrats had a very good night last night. we should congratulate them as well. i'm fascinated by my friends on the left who this morning are acting like they lost. you won. you have reason to celebrate and congratulations. recall the last 18 months, the target, the goal was to retake the house of representatives. democrats won in the low 30s and you took over the house. what happened in the last six or eight weeks is on the left we got emotionally involved, in the marquee races like gillum and beto and abrams. and so when those races went the other way towards republicans, democrats are acting like they lost. you won last night. you may not have gotten the knockout blow you were expecting, but you actually won, and to charlie's point you won key governorships. >> not ge

brian williams, here's what the msnbc anchor actually said while interviewing former congressman david jolly.>> we looked up a quote from you the day robert mueller was appointed were on the air with us and you said, donald trump's done but he is done. is no question about that. he is done. >>howard: so brian williams was also quoting someone else who's behind his twisted video and entertainment of it called super deluxe which was part of turner entertainment. part of cnn's parent company before the takeover by at&t. which shut down after posting that video. a video that was utterly intellectually dishonest. next on "mediabuzz", don lemon under fire by saying white men on the right are the greatest threat to public safety.and john stuart how donald trump is outmaneuvering the press. he kind of nails it. >> on election night, this only one place to >> cnn's don lemon is drawing flak for saying the primary danger is not from migrants moving toward the border. here's what he said. >> we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men. most of th

a former republican congressman david jolly just cast his vote. he voted for andrew gillum. he said the reason's simple, it's because i've served with ron desantis. that should tell you something. let me tell you something, somebody that had served with me in my party voted for the other guy, i'd feel bad. i don't imagine congressman jolly and mayor gillum agree on a lot, but maybe they, just like all of us, agree that there are some things bigger than politics. and that's on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? do we want a politics where people are yelling at each other and making lewd gestures in front of the children? can't do that. in front of mamas. look, throughout human history politicians have made promises that turned out to be harder than they expected and so they pump up the good things that they, did they downplay the stuff that didn't work out. they try to put a positive -- they try to put a positive -- they try -- we're okay. they try to put a positive spin on things. it's not just politicians, by the way, that do that. y'all do that, too. y

a former republican congressman, david jolly, just cast his vote. he voted for andrew gillem. he said the reason simple, it's because i served with ron desantis. that should tell you, somebody that served with me in my party voted for the other guy, i'd feel bad. i don't imagine congressman and gillum agree on a lot but maybe they're like all of us, agree there's some things bigger than politics. that's on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? do we want a politics where people are yelling at each other and making lewd gestures in front of the children? can't do that. in front of momma? throughout human history, politicians have made promises that turned out to be harder than they expected. so they pump up the good things that they did, down played the stuff that didn't work out. they tried to put a positive -- they tried -- we're okay. they try to put a positive spin on things. it's not just politicians, by the way that do that. ya'll do that, too. andrew, this doesn't happen with you and your wife but i'm at home, doing the dishes. hey, honey, look, i did t

former republican congressman david jolly just cast his vote, he voted for andrew gillum.applause] the reason is simple, it's because i have served with ron desantis. whome tell you, if somebody served with me in my party voted for the other guy, i would feel bad. congressmanine jolly and mayor gillam agree on but maybe day, just like all of us, agree there is something bigger than politics. and that is on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? do we want politics were people yelling at each other, making rude gestures in front of the children? mmmm. can't do that in front of mama. look, throughout human history politicians have made promises that turned out to be harder so theyy expected, talked about the good things and downplayed the stuff that didn't work out. they tried to put a positive -- we are ok -- they tried to put a on things.in it's not just politicians that do that, you will do that too. i am at home and i do the dishes and i say honey, look, i did the dishes. and she says, that is the first time in a month you've done the dishes. don't brag

a former republican congressman david jolly just cast his vote. he voted for andrew gillum. he said the reason's simple. it's because i've served with ryan desantis. that should tell you something. if someone served with me in my party, voted for the other guy, i would feel bad. i don't imagine congressman jolly and mayor gillum agree on a lot, but maybe they, just like all of us, agree that there are some things bigger than politics. and that's on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? do we want a politics where people are yelling at each other and making lewd gestures in front of the children? mnh-mnh. can't do that in front of mamas. look, throughout human history politicians have made promises that turned out to be harder than they expected and they pump up the good things they did, downplayed the stuff that didn't work out. tried to put a positive -- they tried to put a positive -- they tried to put a positive -- we are okay. they tried to put a positive spin on things. it's not just politicians, by the way that do that. y'all do that too. you know, so

let's discuss now david jolly is here, he's a former congressman from florida and mark caputo the senior political reporter for ""politico." good evening one and both. mark this is your beat. i know that you were a former representative there, so it's good to have both of you on. mark, i'm going to start with you what is the latest you're hearing on the vote counts on the senate and governor in florida? >> just that they're tightening, and with the tightening of the vote margin, the amount of pressure and in some cases harsh rhetoric, conspiracy theories that we're hearing out of republicans is increasing. there's an increasing focus and claim that there's fraud, but even though the governor had called on the florida department of law enforcement to investigate, which is the state's version of the fbi, fdle said well, we're not investigating any fraud because we don't have any allegations of fraud, so we're in this odd world where the governor wants the state's law enforcement agency to investigate fraud and then the law enforcement agency says, okay, we're here to investigate fraud. the

smith, political editor of the tampa bay times and former republican congressman from florida, david jolly. guys, great to see you. thank you for being here. adam, there is a whole lot of talking points and accusations being thrown around. when the governor says that he's not going to sit byidal idly wh in his words, unethical democrats try to steal the election, is there any evidence offense this? >> 93, there is definitely evidence of sheer incompetence in a couple of these south florida supervisors of elections and they have had a history of problems before, but struggle is they're slowly counting up a lot of these ballots and we still haven't been able to get good information on how many ballots we're even talking about. very much like 2000 where the republican side is immediately talking about a stolen election, and the democrats are just saying count every vote. >> deja vu is insane. congressman, you heard president trump, marco rubio also saying, rick scott also saying, a lot of republicans going straight to, as adam said, the fear of fraud, especially in broward county. what do you

my thanks to david jolly and mike barbical, well not really thank you, but you were here. that does it for this hour. i'm john heilemann in for nicole wallace who will be back tomorrow. mtp daily is going to start now. katie, i'm going to ask you the question i asked chuck on friday. which do you prefer? i think you're wrong in this instance, but it was a very confident answer. >> midnight marauders was one of my jams when i was young. i liked a lot of those songs. i feel good i actually can answer that with some confidence and authority. i was nervous. >> >> q-tip was the kind of rapper you would have loved, just smart and awesome. >> and i've got to say you're such an accommodating host, so polite with your guests. wow. >> all right. peace out, sister. >> john, thanks so much. and it's monday. with great power comes great responsibility. good evening, in new york for chuck todd and welcome to mtp daily, and what looks like a case study in how to undermine the integrity of an election. there is no evidence of voter fraud in florida, there's no investigation into possible

a former republican congressman, david jolly, just cast his vote. he voted for andrew gillum.eers and applause] mr. obama: he said the reason is simple. it's because i have served with ron desantis. that should tell you something. let me tell you, if somebody who served with me in my party voted for the other guy, i would feel bad. i don't imagine congressman jolly and mayor gillam agree on a lot, but maybe they, just like all of us, agree there is something bigger than politics. and that is on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? do we want politics where people are yelling at each other? making rude gestures in front of the children? mmmm. can't do that. in front of mama. look, throughout human history politicians have made promises that turned out to be harder than they expected, so they pump up the good things they did, downplay the stuff that didn't work out. they tried to put a positive -- they try to put a positive -- we are ok. they tried to put a positive spin on things. it's not just politicians that do that, y'all do that, too. sometimes i am at h

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here on set, former maryland democratic congresswoman donna edwards, former florida congressman david jollyis no longer a republican and democratic congressman steve israel. heilemann and frank are still with us. let me start with you, donna, on what democrats can do to -- it was pointed out to me yesterday during the day that by former national security official who served democratic and republican presidents, that it was striking that no legislation was ever passed to protect the mueller probe. your thoughts on what democrats can do with control of the house. >> it is. i'm not sure whether this is going to rest in the house. i noticed today, for example, in the senate that warner put out -- mark warner put out a statement but i didn't see a companion statement from richard burr. to me, that's a signal about whether they can move forward to protect the mueller investigation. i think certainly on the house side, if the president didn't want investigations, today he set the table for investigations with this move. >> and he may have added an investigation into exactly what chuck rosenberg de