ann remoin at the ucla school of public health and former congressman, david jolly. to both of you for being with us. doctor, let me start with you. we're having all of these discussions about, is this a matter of days or weeks before the economy is open again. is it a smartmatter of months, matter of into next year? i think there's a more basic question here, though. is this going to be something, wherever it ends, where there's a set date where the whole country reopens, or are we looking at something where it's this region tries this date, this region tries that date. maybe this region has to go back into lockdown. a much more -- a much slower, less sort of cohesive exercise? >> i think that the thing to keep in mind here, first of all, is that we don't, unfortunately, get to set the timeline. it's the virus that sets the timeline. this is dr. fauci has said this. we've heard many others say this as well. and this is unfortunately the truth. we are really at the mercy of this virus. that being said, there are many things that we can be doing to mitigate the effect

you are really telling people, put yourself in danger for what reason i cannot mablg. >> david jolly,ou as a follow-up to a comment you made earlier about sort of the fabric of our institutions being broken and frayed. it would seem that sort of the fabric of our connections to one another are broken and frayed and people like you and me, looking at our twitter feed to see that every single day. but i want to ask you about the face-offs and the images between health care workers and nurses. i saw some from wisconsin yesterday who were out protesting the lack of the kind of equipment that will save their lives against people who are coming much closer than six feet to them in some instances who are making social distancing and stay-at-home orders about their liberties. how do we heal all the fraying between yourselves as members of communities? >> yeah, and nicole, it's a great question. in an academic sense, this current situation presents a tougher problem between how do we protect the economy and people's ability to earn wages and provide for their family while also protecting the p

now is mehdi hasan, senior columnist for the intercept and host of the deconstructed podcast, and david jolly. >> watching florida has been remarkable, the delay from spring break, the botched responses to cruise ships. we had two cruise ships coming and they were still negotiating how that's going to happen. if you're the governor of florida, you would have thought on day one you knew every cruise ship coming in. beyond that, the ability to apply for unemployment benefits, the pot available to people for unemployment benefits. florida seems to be less prepared for this than most states? >>. >> look it's hard to judge ron desantis's role in this as anything but a colossal failure. he entered office replark bmark with some support of democrats. he was one of the most popular governors in the state because of how he chose to govern choseo govern initially but we've seen him revert to some f ohis true tumpian ten dan denciestendenci. he first put it all on local and municipal governments. he pushed it off on other players to be responsible. he adopted the zen phobic approach. having border check