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combining that, with what you just heard from david jolly.at we've got? >> no. you know, and that's -- and it is a sobering statement to make. but i'm not, primarily because my colleagues, that the democratic party has elected to the senate, are far more interested in catering to republican interests. and to the wants and needs of middle-american white folks, who probably are done voting with us for another generation. they have been done voting for us since 1960 when john kennedy was the last person -- last democrat to win the majority of white male votes in this count i are. and democrats continue to find a way to cater to their interests, first, as opposed to catering to the wants and needs of the vibrant, multiracial democracy, that has been forming for the last-40 years. and will, certainly, dictate the demographics, and ergo, the next 50 years. in terms of building an electoral, vibrant democracy. i would be a lot more confident in potential outcomes and how we can stop subversive efforts such as this. i am also not that confident becau

also joining us msnbc contributor and former republican congressman david jolly is here plus national security analyst clint watts who worked as a consultant to the fbi's counterterrorism division is also here. eugene, first, share with us what you're hearing about what was behind today's announcement. there was some -- it felt like there was growing pressure on the speaker from democrats and republicans to do something, to get the subpoenas flying, to get some records preserved, to begin any kind of investigation. but she seemed very mixed, to be holding out hope for something more bipartisan. >> and she seemed disappointed, right? something we hear from democrats because they were really hoping they could get something that had the gravitas and validation and something without lawmakers truly bipartisan to look at what happened here. and so that's exactly what we're hearing. and they are still holding out hope surprisingly despite everything that we've seen that at some point a real committee, a real 9/11-style commission could be formed. and until that point there's going to be all

david jolly is back with us.ights, said yesterday that the filibuster isn't even a law. it isn't a rule. it's a tradition, and it should not become a suicide pact for our democracy. what do you think? >> yeah, i think democrats have a tough decision to make. it is not a rule, it is not a law, but it is a long-held senate tradition that we saw begin to erode about 10 or 15 years ago when harry reed said we're going to eliminate the filibuster for judicial nominees but not for the supreme court and then republicans came in and said, well, we're going to eliminate it for the supreme court. what has not been eliminated is the filibuster for legislation, and that's what mark is saying, that this nonrule, but this tradition of the senate, is standing in the way of very significant legislation, and why democrats have a tough decision to make, nicole, is they should assume today that no major biden democratic initiative will pass during his term without eliminating the filibuster, no voting rights, no climate legislation

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david jolly is a former republican congressman who represented florida from 2014 to 2017. tracy mcmillan is a professor and author of "lower ed." and they both join me now. tracy, you have written and thought a lot about the politics of education, particularly higher education. i am just curious whrx i heard desantis say parents are telling me they're worried, i heard a real complaint that he has heard from parents, which is this idea that this is what happens. we have our precious kids and we bring them up with our value and they go to college and they come back without them. >> i don't doubt that is a real concern, but a real concern that has been directed at desantis does not make it a legitimate concern. one grounded in reality. and that's the distinction. chris, we have two things happening here. we have a campaign and a disinformation campaign. and you see the merging of these two things come together in the moral panic over critical race theory. right? so on one hand, you have the misinformation campaign, which mischaracterizes a legitimate subfield of academy study

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david jolly, he would keep seeing the same group of republicans. i am not going to count to ten here. these are the ones who keep working with or in some cases voting with democrats. even if all five of these folks get on board, is there any chance they can find five more to actually get something done? >> no, casey to your point, the numbers aren't there. to robert's point, manchin represents a republican state, a state that went for trump by 40 points. i think ultimately there are certain things that congress and the administration have to do to keep the lights on. transportation infrastructure is one of those that has to pass every four, five, six years. schumer is saying we will pass some of this through a bipartisan effort because they have to anyway. maybe you will have capito and others leading that effort, but it is not a legislative achievement for joe biden, at least that package. the achievement comes by somehow getting to 51 votes. there is no bipartisanship working with republicans in congress. it's not going to happen. there is no inc

and ceo of global policy solutions, and the former chair of the maryland democratic party, and david jolly, former republican congressman of florida and an msnbc contributor. the former president is resuming his public events. starting in north carolina last night. ahead of that appearance, the rnc sent out a video of trump in which he said, quote, we are going to take back the senate, take back the house, we're going to take back the white house, and sooner than you think. it's going to be really something special. given reports of a conspiracy theory that trump is aiming to be somehow reinstated in august and the violence that occurred in january after his incitement, how worried should we be about this behavior by the former president? >> we should be very worried. i believe what the republican party and the former president are engaged in is not just an attempt to undermine our democracy. they are seeking to rile up their base for political partisan purposes in the midterm elections. they keep stringing them along with -- by the way, with tactics that are reminiscent of psychological o

and david jolly, former congressman from florida and an msnbc political contributor.sking the big question. is it possible for two highest level members of trump's doj to not have knowledge about this, and if they don't, then who did? >> it seems extremely unlikely. i can't come up with a scenario where it would be the case. obviously i think you're going to see a lot of pushing off, no, he knew, no, he knew, and that may happen. the other thing that could be even scarier is that trump had someone inside doj that he communicated with directly. and while, yes, you would expect it to make it up to the head of the doj, it could have happened, but it doesn't matter, the point is that it happened, and that these records, we need to find out if they were on republicans as well. i think "the new york times" is just breaking that mcgahn's records were looked at by apple. so there's a lot of moving parts to this story. the one thing i feel very secure in is knowing that this is the tip of the iceberg, alex. a lot of people are saying garland should have came out sooner and don

>> joining me now founder of the national voter protection action fund, susan dell percio, and david jollygressman from florida and an msnbc political contributor. guys, why do i feel like i have to apologize for the conversation we're going to have? but let's start. susan, the statements, in fact, they're all lies. but why does donald trump keep spreading them? it is six months later, moving into seven months later. why can't he just let it be? >> because he's playing to the crowd. you had a great interview earlier and basically said this is what the crowd wants. if that's what the crowd wants, that's what donald trump -- >> but hang on. it's a lot different. i also mid the analogy with peter that, yeah, it's like going to the concert and wanting to hear the greatest hits. it's a lot different where you have there paying money to hear music than dealing with somebody who was the leader of the free world and who may indeed yet want to be again the leader of the free world. come on! >> but i will -- trust me, i defend nothing, absolutely nothing of what donald trump says, but to your point

msnbc analyst and republican strategist susan del percio, and david jolly, national chairman of the serve reaction of trump's rally last night. >> i think it's time for people of good faith to move on. he's so deeply irrelevant and so deeply unserious of a human being it feels me more empowered every time i see him go out, because i realize the people who he's talking to and who are continuing to express fealty to him are moving further and further away from people of good faith who are trying to move this country forward. i hate to see state gop officials follow that line. but those of white house are seriously interested in policy, will the congressional republican gop join them along with the tiki torch folks at charlottesville and the insurrection of january 6th, will you join them in the confederacy of dunces and donald trump? >> david, the perpetuation of the big lie, trump did that. he also took time to, last night, applaud states who have enacted restrictive voting laws. take a listen to what he said. >> that's why i love what they've done in texas, i love what they are doing in f

. >> joining me now is the host of a host on sirius xm, and david jolly, a former republican congressmanfiliated with the party. mine pence should be happy they didn't start chanting hang mike pence, which is an oldie but a goody. your thoughts. >> some did chant traitor. can we just judgment to d.l. hughley, we'll have better content talking to him than listening to those who were pandering to white evangelicals in the republican party down in florida. look, i mean, this is one more day that affirms how far the party has gotten from some type of conservative construction, some idealogical construction that is the pulse of the party. you're right, they are in this listless moment where they're still trying to figure out how to cater to donald trump but where the next generation of republican leaders are trying to figure out how to get around him. and it's fascinating to see that group, desantis, haley, pompeo, others. there are different strategies. at this point, i think watch how ron desantis is handling all of this. he is doing the conservative things. he's behaving in a somewhat trum

i had this conversation with david jolly yesterday and i promise you if the parties were reversed the republicans wouldn't think twice about having a standard that maybe all legislation based on the big lie, the big lie now undergirds the violent extremism threat in america, behind 380 voter suppression laws, republicans wouldn't think twice about abandoning the filibuster to legislate around something is a threat if the roles were reversed. do you think the democrats have the stomach to do that? >> let's be clear. look at what republicans did. they rammed through judges when donald trump was president. they violated they should own rules when it came to making decisions about whether a supreme court nominee could be proposed while there was an election afoot. they passed a tax bill that was not even paid for violating their own conservative pay for rules. and they have repeatedly, mitch mcconnell in particular, he has said i'm going to stop it all. so i think democrats need to start playing the same kind of hard ball. and joe manchin and kristin sinema are wrong on the filibuster. it