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joining me now is michelle goldberg, columnist for the "new york times," and also david jolly, formera. michelle, let's start with the meeting between ukrainian president zelenskyy and the senate this morning. this comes as the house is expected to debate a $10 billion aid package to ukraine in the coming days. meanwhile, many americans are warming up to the leader since russia invaded ukraine. according to the latest economist poll, 44% are in favor and 16% view him unfavorably. how does zelenskyy's popularity help ukraine? also, could continued aid to the ukraine, one of these rare issues where there's broad bipartisan agreement on the hill, can it be impacted by this? >> look, i don't think you can overstate the role that zelenskyy's personal heroism and sort of every man charisma has had in rallying the world to his side. you know, a week and a half ago, two weeks ago, i think there was a consensus that there would be sanctions on russia, but that they wouldn't be crushing. nobody was talking about picking russia out of the swift system. you certainly didn't have major brands pull

with me now is david jolly, no longer affiliated with the party.yst and the entirely wrong guy to have this conversation with. you were never one of those people. cpac used to be a regular conservative conference that we would cover. it would push towards further right than the main stream of conservative thought but it was normal. now it's a clown car. it ridiculous. it has the pizza guy. it has the pillow guy. it has kyle rittenhouse. it's got donald trump saying crazy stuff. it's got people cheering for putin. what is going on? >> well, i think it reflects the state of the party. it's a lot of crazy and a little conservative. you heard themes drowned out by the way donald trump smashed the orthodox and recast the party and image. cpac is a trailing indicator to all things donald trump and the speakers you see have to fit within that trump lane or they're not invited. cpac is not a conservative contest anymore. i think the cpac director said they don't call themselves conservatives anymore and i think the world would agree. >> the reason i say, i

susan del percio and msnbc political analyst and david jolly, former congressman from florida and msnbcou here. michael, start with you, because the "post" goes on to say democrats hope this message will help address biggest liabilities. chief among them, biden's low approval rating and widespread perception democrats are at fault for a sharp increase in inflation. how effective do you expect that to be? >> president biden has been extremely effective not just uniting nato but the international community against vladimir putin and showing a strong result. one of the things missing, combine the international message with the message that had republicans aloud the child tax credit to pass, some of that money could have been used now to help the families suffering as gas and food prices go up. a message domestic, international, would be even more popular for the biden administration. >> yeah. got the "washington post," which also says that biden's record so far on ukraine, that includes his ability to help unify nate other and challenges offered what democrats hope is a chance to resurrect

former florida congressman, david jolly. he is no national chairman of the serve america movement. oth. david, trump again refused to criticize putin, and instead saying they both, quote, got along. why is trump holding on to his special relationship with russia's dictator at this moment? and the reason i'm asking that is, what does it mean more broadly for the gop? >> yeah, that's a great way to frame it, alicia. with donald trump, you never quite know why he goes soft on vladimir putin. there are questions about his financial relationships, his business dealings, potential debt leverage and so forth. if you would apply it to additional foreign policy lymph, which he decided to do with donald trump, but we are hearing in south carolina, which we've heard since the start of the russian invasion of ukraine is that donald trump, through the kind of this strong-arm diplomacy, through speaking with vladimir putin, but as he's as tonight, rattling the fact that there are nuclear are sullen is bigger than russia's. but somehow that type of leadership, that vladimir putin listens to. so wh

and joining me, susan del percio, a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst and david jollynbc tributer. sunday family good to see you. saw the numbers. in one way or another breaks into america's collective awareness. i pose the same question to each of you. what are you hearing from friends and family with respect to what's happening in ukraine and america's response to this invasion? is there conventional wisdom out there on what this government is or isn't doing? david what are you hearing? >> look, i think there's a unanimous feeling in the united states seeing the horrific images of vladimir putin particularly targeting women and children, also marching into a country without any pretense, that this is a war and an invasion. i'm not surprised by the numbers. i think a couple questions for the american people are -- are we okay if ukraine falls under this policy? right? if trying to cripple the russian economy is our strategy, trying to create political unrest in russia is or strategy, are we willing to accept the result if that does not work? and then secondly, with al

we're missing david jolly. both of you get to choose whichever one of these topics you want.san, we'll go to you first. which one do you want to pick? >> i'll start with biden's speech, alex. thank you. >> sure. >> feel like a game show. i think his speech yesterday, i was someone who was not necessarily sure what he was going to do on his trip overseas and yet it's turned out to be a very important trip. he really showed the united states as a global leader. we are there with our allies, our nato allies. the words at the end, putin must go, it was an unfortunate slip but it's also important to recognize, that's what the president was thinking. and, frankly, we came down hard on some republicans a couple of weeks ago when there was talk of regime change. it was a very dangerous thing he did because putin now can refocus his energy on the west saying this is about the united states wanting to kick me out of power. >> yeah. point well taken certainly. don, do you want to pick a topic? >> we've got to go with the victorious kbj. i would be highly concerned if i were a main stree