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david jolly, nobody reads a poll quite like a one-time candidate. you've seen your share of polls.when you see the split between the fact that most of these voters are going to vote for donald trump. but they do like desantis and tim scott. what does that say to you? >> i think what jumps out at me from kornacki's numbers is the fact that two thirds of republicans think donald trump is not engaged in serious crimes. because that does suggest that is not going to be an issue on which other republican candidates tackle donald trump. perhaps they softly make the case of whether or not donald trump can win or whether he is distracted. but i would suggest that what it means is that the race remains strongly donald trump 's. i think on the debate stage, we will see all of the other candidates try to take on ron desantis. because if you are republican candidate on that stage, you do not get ahead by taking on donald trump. you get ahead by taking on ron desantis and injuring him on that stage. in some ways, this could be a make-or-break night for the florida governor. >> i think we all kn

back with me, joyce vance, christina greer and david jolly. lies to flip like tavares did? >> absolutely, these have to reconcile their personal freedom and a legal jeopardy they face. they are going to realize particularly for some of these that there is an opportunity to stay out of jail, if they will testify truthfully to the prosecutors. so, no surprise here. when he leaves a trump paid attorney, he actually tells a story that implicates donald trump. look, i think christine that made a reference earlier to all the legal actions facing the president. all four of these. the real telling thing this week is that even as defendants flip and began to say, no, donald trump really did these things, you have a republican class of presidential candidates who all raise their hands and said, i'm still going to vote for that guy. i still support him even if he's a criminal defendant in this race. >> yeah, a low moment in gop politics. christina, what is your take? >> yeah, i mean he's absolutely correct. absolutely no surprise that when he moves away f

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. >> joining me now, former florida congressman david jolly and brendan buck, former senior advisor toontest yesterday. where do things stand for the republican party and the primary candidates after all of that? >> it's hard to say a lot changed. you have ron desantis saying the words, it is what it is. the frontrunner has gotten himself indicted or arrested for the fourth time. this shows you these people are not taking a serious effort to go after him. this is an enormous vulnerability for donald trump. but it only matters if someone is going to exploit it. clearly, they're not going to do it. the more important thing to focus on is the general election at this point. i'm convinced at this point that people running in the primary are not putting in much of a serious effort. look at this in the context of a general election. donald trump is most likely going to be the republican nominee. what happened this week is clearly significantly damaging to him in a general election. yet, they are leaning into it. they are putting his face on t-shirts. i think they need to take this a little m

david jolly, let's talk about the trump super pac. the first six months of this year, according to the latest fec filing.challenges. >> sure, andrea. well, it speaks to the amount of legal exposure donald trump has. whether he's a candidate or not, this is someone in serious legal jeopardy. i think you have to looker l at spin rate as does it affect his brand, but then doesec it affec his campaign i tactics? as a brand, honestly, it has been built in from his benefiting the family enterprises, ivanka and jared, to using family properties to the notion that he has all of these legal expenses. i don't know the grift affects his brand. does it affect what he can do on the campaign trail?af arguably donald trump needs that the least. he needs that the least, his earnth media, he's perhaps the most talked about person in the planet. i don't know that it affectsalks ability to actually get out there and campaign. like limited resources would affect rones desantis, tim scot nikki haley and others. >> and, david, do you think people contribut

joining me now is former florida congressman and msnbc political analyst, david jolly. david. >> i never said i'm a good lawyer, joy. there are better ones. >> we talking about trump, david. you just have to have a bar license to answer this question. so the reality is i want to ask you as a legal analyst for a moment, how likely is it that someone can make a successful argument that they should have their case moved to federal court based on them criming while on duty? it doesn't make sense to me. >> yeah. i would analogize it to when members of congress used the defense of the speech and debate clause that almost anything they do as a sitting member of congress qualifies for some type of immunity or privilege because they were a sitting member. mark meadows among the 18 charged in georgia because he was the chief of staff to the president of the united states. so he's essentially making the case in layman's terms that, hey, i was acting in my official capacity with the color of some government official on behalf of the president of the united states. the federal judge

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joining our conversation david jolly. jason is still with us. let's take this in two parts. actually learning a lesson understanding, david, these two things very much happened in tandem. you can switch up your leadership, but if you're not willing to fundamentally change as a candidate i'm not sure that's going to be the magic that you're looking for. >> that's right, alicia, ron desantis' problem is not his staff it's the candidate, it's himself. i know that because i know several of the people in florida politics who are working for them and they're exceedingly talented staffers and campaign strategists, they're just working with a terrible candidate and that is why you're hitting the ceiling. this conversation about how woke has its ceiling and its limitations even in the republican party, i think one of the reasons, despite all the substantive debate around his war on woke is it just exudes bad faith, right, the war on migrants by doing the martha's vineyard stunt, reaching into texas and shipping them, just shows bad faith. it's not a constructive way to address immigr

colleague john allen, senior national politics reporter for nbc news, and former republican congressman david jolly? >> look, it's certainly a grave moment, i think, as everyone knows. i'm more captivated, though, a little bit, stephanie, by this political question. because despite all the lowering that one into this indictment, i'm not sure the jack smith indictment and altman trial is going to bring the final closure to this. i think it is going to be a political question in the november 2024 election. and what i mean by that is the gravity is around donald trump being charged as a former president. the complexity to this though for the country's donald trump the credible candidate for the white house, who intends to run on a campaign of absolution and retribution, seeking to use the most basic democratic process of all, ironically, a free and fair election to be absolved of his most undemocratic behavior. and that is a tough moment for the nation to reconcile between our fragility and our resilience, the notion that a major party candidate, a credible candidate, electorally still in this country

"new york times" politics reporter, maya king, and david jolly. thy sit-down with iowa governor reynolds who did not want to meet with trump. but even that was interrupted by some protesters. >> yeah. iowa politics getting punchy at this point and donald trump showing though this week he's still the heavyweight in this race. clearly. we know he's up by about 20 points or so but you also saw the crowd respond to the former president. ron desantis seems committed to trying to win one of the early states and the relationship with the iowa governor could be a key to that. though she has said she's not going to endorse, she clearly continues to lean into the optics of a friendly relationship with ron desantis. she has made herself the subject of insults typically from donald trump. but this remains donald trump's field. ron desantis is still giving a go at it. >> and jim messina, the first debate is next week in milwaukee. the campaign of four candidates are preparing for the possibility that mr. trump will show up at the last minute and just listen to

that vote in ohio was pretty sobering. >> david jolly, make sure that we don't think all the fox newsham called overturning roe v. wade the greatest achievement since ending the cold war. why can't republicans figure out a cohesive, coherent message on this. why are they trying to send their base in the direction of a national ban? >> because they're following their passions and not looking dispassionately at the dana. the national data overwhelmingly is time and time again, coming out of dobbs. when we see state level referendums that started with kansas after the dobbs decision and the ohio measure this past week. when you look at special elections where the issue of a woman's choice is put up in front of voters, voters continue to reject the republican position and i think what is interesting, sean hannity quoted bill clinton, he could quote a republican. when bush 43 was asked about this in 2000, he said, listen, i think the way to approach this is by changing hearts and minds, and i suppose that could be true for either side of this debate. what george bush 43 recognized is polit

joining me now is david jolly.e you ever were a florida politician. you're so coherent. >> a florida republican. >> there's no way you fit in with that party. you're not the normy florida republican i know. i just said this off camera i'll say it on camera, the republicans that i know in florida all say they're shocked desantis has gotten this far because he doesn't have the personality of what you would normally have to be a presidential candidate. and he is going to be the target tonight. >> he is going to be the target. >> how do you think he'll hold up? >> look, his first race in florida was very close. his second one he won by 19 points. crippled democrat party. he is number two. the expectations have been so high that he's been dropping for months and months and months. if you're any candidate on that stage but desantis, you don't get ahead tonight by attacking donald trump. you get ahead by attacking ron desantis. and in many ways, joy, this could be make or break for ron desantis because the expectations ar

. -- the politics of a darkening america, and former republican congressman, david jolly of florida, vid, my goodness, okay, what's up? are you concerned? do you have any concerns and donald trump being convicted, but continue to run for office? >> on this question of whether or not he would serve as president in prison, the answer to that is likely, very likely, no. regardless of whether he got pardoned or not. >> but says who, david, says who? >> well, because, the president suggests sentencing. once sentenced, the reporting from prison can be delayed. you have members of congress, their sentencing has been delayed because they have young children or because of spouses being convicted at the same time. there are ways of dealing with sentences. but at the core of all of this, a former president standing for election, seeking to absolve himself of his criminal liability through the political process. that is the hard part for the country. the sober part of this, a former president is standing trial for trying to subvert democracy. the scary part is [inaudible]. >> david, i think someb

. >> joining us now former republican congressman david jolly of florida. unpack here. i don't know where to start. i guess we could do the tepid responses to mike pence's constitutional action on january 6th, but then, you know, big picture i was surprised more candidates didn't go after the front runner on the front stage, not the front-runner in the race because that's donald trump but ron desantis. what do gnaw make of that? >> i was fascinated by that exchange because the crowd actually cheered and affirmed mike pence. i suspected he might have been booed because of the trump dynamic in the race, so that was a little intriguing. mike pence had a good night for mike pence. he showed he deserve today be in the race as a former vice president. put some people to sleep, but, look, he did well. it was fascinating people didn't go after ron desantis. and ron desantis showed himself to be that uniquely unlikable, unsteady odd duck on the stage. >> when you were in congress, you served in congress with him. >> yeah, we ran against each other for over a year. lo

joining me now to talk about ron's ongoing implosion, david jolly, former republican congressman fromonger a republican. and anna eskamani, a democrat serving in the florida house of representatives. david, desantis doubling down on his slavery it wasn't all bad argument. they got some skills. who is he appealing to, aside from the white nationalist segment of the gop base? >> well, you nailed it. that's who it's appealing to. but it also demonstrates a character of ron desantis that voters get to make a moral judgment over someone who is looking for a silver lining in slavery. and i think it's clear at this point, ron desantis is continuing his race for the white house, asking to represent a white america. that is what he did in florida when it comes to immigration and voting rights, he is saying i want to restore white america's place in society. and i am reminded of leicester maddox, the governor of georgia in the civil rights era, who rose to the governorship by opposing immigration at his very own restaurant. but he made the argument, mehdi, that it wasn't about racism, it was ab

joining us is donna edwards and david jolly, both msnbc political analysts.he arraignment. do you think we'll see a change in the days to come, for example in iowa? >> it doesn't seem like to there is much movement in the republican base. i mean, you can see from the reporting, which is more anecdotal, that voter sentiment in new hampshire is probably mirrored in this iowa poll where the indictments are becoming a bit of white noise for republican primary voters. and that is not going to be to the benefit of ron desantis, i think. if you look at that poll, who gained the most was tim scott, who seemed to absorb the short fall that donald trump saw in the polls. so, i expect that this is going to be more of a wash and that republican candidates are still going to struggle against donald trump in the primary. >> mike pence has been getting a lot more attention since this indictment because of his role in it, and he's mentioned over and over again. he's apparently trying to seize the moment. he's selling too honest campaign merch. he saw a surge in donations wit

david jolly is a former public and congressman of florida, and he joins me now.n the republican house caucus and kevin mccarthy on this? >> i think this goes all the way back to the 15 votes to become speaker. i said to the table during during the speaker vote, i didn't think kevin mccarthy would be able to get the votes to become speaker. largely, because i underestimated his willingness to sell the gavel to the maga crazy crowd. it was apparent, then part of his corrupt bargain with his caucus was a willingness to impeach joe biden. he wouldn't come right out and say, it but we know that many in his caucus wanted to move towards impeachment. i believe mccarthy made that promise eight or nine months ago, and this is always been the plan. so, he said there. i think it also speaks broadly to the republican party politics, internal politics. you've now cited the house, where they are convinced, through fox news and through just republican echo chamber, that the biden crime family is real. the problem is, it requires this broad innuendo gap for them to jump from a c

. >> david jolly is a former republican congressman from florida, but he's in new york today, and he's of his performance? and i wonder if you think he's a threat to ron desantis's number two. >> i think he absolutely is, and i think in the next 24 hours we might see him pass ron desantis in a couple of polls. >> really? >> there's four left on survivor island, it's nikki haley, vivek ramaswamy, mike pence, and pence and hailey leaned into their experience, you saw that last night. ron desantis was who ron desantis has always been, awkward on stage, hard to relate to. i don't think he hurt himself but he didn't help himself. the stuff he said, how inarticulate he might have been, republican voters wanted to hear. i think he's fine. i don't think it moves. i think it was vivek show, and i think we could see vivek ramaswamy move ahead of ron desantis in a few polls, but you'll see those polls and probably donald trump will want voters to see vivek passing desantis. >> lovers of trump looking for someone trump like, may like what he had to say including that donald trump was the greatest

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joining me now nbc vaughn hillyard and former republican congressman david jolly.ublican voters. it is certainly desantis' issue and led to the curriculum changes and everything else we've talked about. is that really what people care about? >> i think ron desantis is really the only case study of having a successful political win. that was in his re-election bid for governor last year. outside of that, we haven't seen republican candidates windy sigh sive victories on the idea of wokeness. when you look at the new "new york times" siena college poll, when republicans were asked which candidate would you prefer, defeating woke policy in our schools versus a candidate focusing on law and order in the streets and our border, 65% said law and order. the other hard part for the likes of ron desantis and vivek ramaswamy, their idea of defeating radicalwokeism, i haven't talked to a single republican voter that donald trump is -- he created the idea of the 1776 commission to rebuke and shut down the 1619 project by "the new york times." this is a man who by all accounts

former congressman david jolly, thank you for your perspectives, i appreciate your time. we have a lot to get to tonight, including an up close look at a florida community whose history of racist violence is being whitewashed as part of governor ron desantis's war on woke. plus, startling new take showing one of the men accused of conspiring with donald trump to overturn the 2020 election at the capitol on january 6th. that is next. that is next. dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not or sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor about new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. ask your specialist about dupixent. rsv is in for a surprise

and msnbc political analyst and former florida congressman david jolly. it's great to see you both. joyce, i want to know what you should expect when it comes to tomorrow's court deadline. >> trump will now have to file a response and will have to engage with the government on whether or not they should have a protective order in this case. that's a pretty cut and dry sort of an issue. trump is not entitled to take much of the discovery. he will be receiving. it'll include information that is personally identifying for some of these witnesses. much of it will be grand jury information, which of course is required by law to remain secret. and so they can quibble about the terms of the order, but in some way, shape, or form the judge will put a protective order in place before any discovery changes hands in this case. >> joyce, trump's lawyer also had this to say about violating the constitution. take a listen. >> vice president pence is an attorney. if he had any point side or thought that mr. trump, president trump was acting unlawfully or contrary to criminal law, he would've said

former congressman david jolly, thank you for your perspectives, i appreciate your time. we have a lot to get to tonight, including an up close look at a florida community whose history of racist violence is being whitewashed as part of governor ron desantis's war on woke. plus, startling new take showing one of the men accused of conspiring with donald trump to overturn the 2020 election at the capitol on january 6th. that is next. at is next listen, your deodorant just has to work. i use secret aluminum free. just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh. secret works! ohhh yesss. ♪♪ type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ohhh yesss. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. and you may lose weight. adults lost up to 14 pounds. ozempic® isn

oh, my gosh, she has a ski ball, and she's flipping it around, watch out, david jolly, former republicanf what it's like there, and what are we expecting from the candidates over the weekend? >> reporter: well, you said it, chris, this is an absolutely mandatory campaign stop. this is where iowa voters are going to watch and see who's the real deal, who can pull off eating that stick of butter with charm, who can show off their ski ball skills in style. not me, but you know what, i'm not a presidential candidate. this is a place that is full of opportunity, folks can stand out here and make that connection with voters. it can be a big deal, but it's also loaded with land mines. did you under dress, did you over dress, did you eat the right fried food, did you eat the wrong fried food. this is where bernie sanders famously really drew a big audience to his soap box. this is where mitt romney had a flub, telling a voter asking about taxes that corporations are people, and sort of missing the tone there. so you can make it here, you can break it here, and it's critical because voters are op

intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, former florida congressman and msnbc political analyst, david jollyd former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. so good to have you all there. i want to start, david, with breaking news from "the new york times" that the former president plans to upstage the first republican primary debate wednesday by doing an online interview with the former fox news host tucker carlson. that's according to multiple people briefed on the matter. we have not confirmed that here at nbc, although we have reached out to his campaign. anything about that surprise you, david? >> it doesn't surprise me that he's skipping, but i do think remarkably we get a little bit of insights into donald trump's thinking around his legal peril and the politics of the republican race for the presidency, and it's this, chris. you know, there was speculation that he would kind of lean in to his jeopardy in georgia, if you will, possibly even surrender himself for arrest on the day of the debate. there's also is this notion he would

polls to come. >> all right, thank you all, ali vitali, former congresswoman donna edwards and david jolly for joining us today. >>> we have more breaking news, this time out of hawaii where dangerous wildfires are burning on maui. winds from a hurricane that's hundreds of miles off the coast fanning the massive flames, prompting widespread evacuations, ravaging thousands of acres and causing extensive property damage there. much of hina that served as hawaii's royal capital in the early 1800s is believed to be troid. the fire so intense, rescuers are pulling people from the water, the only place they could hide from the surging flames. maura barrett is tracking the fires with us. also with us, meteorologist angie lassman. what are we learning about the evacuations and the efforts to contain the fires? >> reporter: the images are absolutely catastrophic. and remember, it's still early morning hours, just after 4:00 a.m. in hawaii. officials are describing the scene as rapidly evolving, but also describing extensive damage. now, as you talk about the hurricane that pushed those 60 miles per

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attorney glenn kirschner is back and political analyst david jolly is here. i have to start with a simple question. mark meadows has the presence of mind to say, wuh-woe, take that out of my intro. do you know if he does anything about that classified document or is he offering it up because jack smith got an early copy of his book draft? >> here's what we know. first of all, the description in that draft of the book is quite stark. it talks about the war plan being there on the desk. it says that trump founded -- had just found it in his old files. old files, i guess, in boxes, and that he knew if he could declassify it, it would, quote, win my case. so it's very clear that we're talking about a document that was not only classified but was known by trump to be classified and to be right there on the couch with people who clearly had no right at that point to have any access to classified documents. but mark meadows, there's another very interesting part of what we know he has told investigators, and that is that when the national archives first requested th

david jolly, thank you for your perspective sir, we appreciate your time. we have a lot to get to tonight, including and up close look of florida community whose history of racist violence is being whitewashed as part of ron desantis's war on woke. -- conspiring with donald trump to overturn the 2020 election at the capitol on january six. that is next. subway's slicing their turkey fresh like on the titan turkey. piled high with double the cheese and more meat. i proffer freshly sliced turkey. it's my favorite mouth guard flavor. mmmm. now available at subway. the sub, not the mouth guard. my husband and i have never been more active. n shingles doesn't care. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. good for you, shingles doesn't care. because no matter how healthy you feel, your risk of shingles sharply increases after age 50. but shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients

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matt dowd joining us and donna evers and david jolly. all our analysts. speaking, the republican's position on abortion is out of step. that proved a big loser in arizona, michigan and pennsylvania. denying that climate change exists, the person who wouldn't the debate was the young man who had the video question for a raise of hands whether they deny climate change. if you can get past the personal -- >> that's all true. the problem is, we are dealing with tiny margins between victory and losing, between saving our democracy and losing our democracy. even the successes that happened in 2022, the democrats kept the senate by a few thousand votes across a few states. candidates similar to what you saw on stage last night, like jd vance in ohio, beat well-spoken candidates like tim ryan in ohio. what you say is true. but he would are fa -- but we a faced with an election where it's not a sense of what goes on. keep in mind, in 2020, if 24,000 votes had changed from joe biden to donald trump, 24,000 in three states, donald trump would be president of the uni

donald trump, david jolly, is running, asking the american people to be human shields.his message. protect me. shield me. protect me from all the bad things i've done. joe biden actually is running to shield americans from economic peril, from hunger, from inequality, from national security threats. shield ukraine from russia. i mean, the contrast has to get you in the gut with a very blunt and brutal message. donald trump doesn't care about -- michael cohen went to jail. the reason that's news is because if his personal lawyer was sacrificial to trump, wouldn't you think his supporters like stephen heirs airors marched to the capitol. running to be president because he wants the american people to shield him from criminal exposure and liability. >> if joe biden wins the election asking allow me one person to serve for benefit of the entire country. if donald trump is elected president, protect himself and make the rest of the country victims including those who support, elevate, vote him into office. whether or not they see their regret the next day or ten years later,

also with, us former congressman from florida, david jolly. and former hud secretary and 2020 presidential candidate juliÁn castro. david and juliÁn, they are both msnbc political analysts. let's start in fulton county. the news today that witnesses have been called to testify before the grand jury next week. talk about the process, the timing, what are the final steps before they made deliver an indictment? >> the final steps are to have all the witnesses completed. we are now seeing that there are some subpoenas for next week. so, that means that it won't happen until at least after their testimony. this does look like it's high-level witnesses. the lieutenant governor is going to testify on tuesday. so, as early as tuesday, we could have an indictment announced. it's possibly unsealed in georgia. i will have to wear my peach pin when that happens. the process is that the jury, the grand jury, votes on the prepared indictment. shown what the laws of georgia are. they've already heard the facts from witnesses. they see whether the facts suppor

. >> vaughn hillyard, david jolly, thanks to you. thanks to all of you for being with us today. we'll be back tomorrow. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow us online, on facebook and on twitter. lindsey reiser is in for "chris jansing reports" right now. >>> i'm lindsey reiser in for chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the first skirmish in the much larger legal battle surrounding donald trump's attempts to overturn the election come down to the wire. while his attorneys have been quiet ahead of today's 5:00 p.m. deadline, the former president has taken the opposite approach, blasting the doj, the judge and the special counsel on social media. prosecutor is already seeking what trump can say, is he making their case for them. >>> new tension in fulton county as da fani willis weighings the timing of a possible fourth donald trump against donald trump. >>> take a look at this house collapsing into a river in alaska. it's just one result of record-breaking b glacial flooding in juneau. the floodwaters forcing resident

mitchell washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution, former republican congressman david jolly of florida and an msnbc political competitor, and former federal prosecutor renado, also a legal affairs columnist for politico. ronaldo, let's start with his protective order. what are your thoughts? >> well, i really think that this is a loss for trump. if you played a clip a moment ago about how it was a split decision. i actually think that the judge chutkan it made a very wise decision here by not trying it to gather too much on these first amendment issues, but what she did is warned him, and i thought the key quote that you write a moment ago was that this could increase the likelihood of a speedy trial. essentially, what i think she is going to do, because she is a very seasoned lawyer, she is litigated for a long time is she is going to basically tell trump the more trouble you cause her, the more you are badgering witnesses, the speedier the trial is going to get, the less accommodations she's going to give him, and ultimately that's going to be a bad, bad thing for donald t

susan del percio, republican strategist, and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida.al analysts, nothing about wiseguy questions for you. watching trump at the iowa state fair yesterday headed almost surreal quality. i, mean here is a man facing multiple criminal indictments, and another likely to come this week. attracting thousands of people, and appear not to have a care in the world. so this is either the scariest, most alarming political story ever, or the most inexplicable. how do you see it? >> all of it -- this is someone who is traversing the nation, thinking he won the last election, even though he lost. is it vanity? is it ego? it's something clinical? who knows. what we do know, is politically, he still owns this field. he's a bit of a political phenomenon. and even as you point to the numbers, the fund raising numbers, and cash on hand, the intriguing thing about donald trump's -- look, in politics, you have paid media and earned media. you paid to go on tv, or you are not without having to pay it. donald trump has more earned media around the world than

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republican strategist susan del percio, and former republican congressman from florida david jolly, alltaylor greene just said? i mean, is there enough interest that a trump no-show might hurt him? >> it can. and here is why. people will be tuning into the debate and seeing, i don't know, eight or nine candidates of which i think five are probably serious, talk about issues. and what i do think looking forward toward the primary but more importantly the general election is where they come down on abortion. i actually think that will be the take away from this debate. it'll be interesting to see how trump lands because, as we know, he has varied on the issue, to put it mildly. >> yeah, to put it mildly. in a new cbs news poll, david, it is out this morning, it is stretching his lead among gop rivals. i mean, it is really inexplicable. will it take an actual conviction or two to derail donald trump, or might that not even do it? >> in politics, if you are up by 30 points, what you want to avoid is the unknown, which i think all of the trial strategy by donald trump reflects that. he knows

molly are back with me, and joining the conversation is former republican congressman from florida david jollyates on the stage. what did you think of his performance? and was anything about it surprising to you? >> no, nothing surprising. after a year on the debate stage with him, easy we are due. that's the bottom line. he's just a weird guy. and america saw that tonight. i don't know if he hurt himself tonight, but he also didn't help himself, right. >> that's kind of hurting himself, if he didn't help himself. >> because ramaswamy and others actually had a good performance, right. so, it's not so much that desantis might be dropping, it might be that ramaswamy is coming up and that haley is coming up, i think there are four candidates, throw pence in there. look, nikki haley and pence showed the strength of experience, kind of a steady hand, pence still probably out of touch with most republican super voters. but it's always hard, even with all the experience at this table, to transport yourself to the low to medium information voter. and i think what they heard from desantis is exactly wh

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