david jolly, as somebody who's there in florida, what do you make of this pick? been elected statewide twice as the attorney general, very much a maga. attorney general of the state. she signed on to many maga like briefs challenging the biden administration. she will be florida's only second female senator. you got to go back 30 plus years, probably to the last time we had a female senator. the interesting thing is there's already one member of congress who has said he's running in two years, regardless of who this pick might be, ashley moody is not a surprise pick. the question now, though, becomes she does have to run for reelection in two years. is she somebody that the rest of florida republicans clear the way for support her reelection? or is this seen as just a placeholder pick by governor desantis? and she, in fact, faces a challenge. in two years, she will be a solid maga vote. she will support donald trump, and she will support ron desantis as well. >> former congressman david jolly, thanks so much for being with us. still ahead, what could a shutdown o

also joining me, former congressman david jolly and former u.s. attorney joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst and professor at the university of alabama school of law, harry dunn. what do you make of the promises that donald trump would not pardon? according to his supporters on capitol hill, including his now vice president, and the fact that he did exactly that pardoned some of the most violent insurrectionists from that day. >> thanks for having me on. why are people surprised? why are people surprised? people that are shocked by this outrageous, egregious act against this country, against these police officers? why? if you're shocked, then you haven't been paying attention. donald trump has did did exactly what he said he was going to do. he said it from day one, and anybody expecting anything different out of them, out of him. what is wrong? it's on us. it's on us. like for four years? for four years. me and the other officers who testified before congress. we haven't had our hands out. we haven't asked for anything except accountability. and it'

let's go back to our political panel, jeff mason, david jolly and fernand amandi.ing to be attending the inauguration, and he recently posted a video expressing confidence that president elect trump will find a resolution for the ban. we now know from trump's interview with kristen welker that he is likely to issue this extension, but it's worth noting that this is pretty much an about face for donald trump, who, as president in august of 2020 issued an executive order dealing with what he called the threat posed by tiktok. what explains this stunning about face? >> yeah, well, let's be clear. >> president trump now, president elect trump had a relationship with china and chinese companies. >> and the chinese leader that that are full filled with contradictions. so having an about face or a contradiction on this is not necessarily inconsistent with how president trump has sometimes approached issues such as tiktok, such as, you know, other issues having to do with beijing. what he ends up doing is, as we were discussing at the top of the hour, still tbd, and to wha

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msnbc political analyst david jolly is here. and the host of the independent americans podcast, founder and ceo of independent veterans of america, paul rieckhoff, joins us as well. paul, what did active duty military think of jim mattis? >> he was a god. >> i mean, they called him saint mattis. >> they were shrines to mattis in marine corps barracks all around the world. >> and he was held up, you know, as our generation's patton in many ways, in part because he embodied the ethos and the values of the military loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, personal courage. >> we all know them. and mattis embodied all that. what you saw today is someone who violates all those values. and i think what you saw today is the first major battle in trump's culture war. and that's a culture war. we've talked about it over the last couple of months. pete hegseth is an effective culture warrior, and he brought that war to this confirmation hearing today. and we didn't talk about iran or about nuke policy or about, you know

don calloway, susan del percio, david jolly, they are back with me. project 2025 out on the campaign trail, or others are calling the shots and he's going along with them. which is it? and are you surprised how quickly he's implemented what appears to be parts of this 2025 playbook so far? >> i think it's a bit of all of that, alex. there's no question in my mind that donald trump absolutely did not read 900 pages of anything. so i believe he did not read the full document. but then again, this document was created for donald trump to implement. so these were his ideas, his beliefs, and they were just put together in a document that could be put out there. and we're seeing it all unfold. this is what donald trump believes in. this was not a the project 2025 wasn't about what government should look like. it's what donald trump wanted government to look like, or what he should do to make government reflect what he believes. so it's not surprising whatsoever. perhaps what is shocking is in the speed that it's all happened. but we shouldn't be, you know,

also with us, former republican congressman from florida, david jolly.at you got. >> yeah. so officer mike fanone just called me a little while ago and told me that he got off the phone with some folks at the justice department, the victims advocates, who he had been working with for years. you know, these are people that he had seen in the courthouse for, you know, six hearings that he's been to overall, the last one of which happened on friday for one of the individuals who assaulted him on january 6th. what he was told in that call is that under the current view of the justice department, he is no longer a victim. and, you know, there is a reason that under the law, he is not really considered a victim under their current approach to this. but it did. you know, it's hard to shake off the sound. you know, the echoes of george orwell when you're having someone who's being told, despite being assaulted over and over and over and over and over and over again, having a stun gun driven into his neck that under the eyes of the justice department, he is no lo

this is now the brand of republicans today. >> david jolly, julie sirkin, michael hadaway, thank yountinued. still to come today, supreme court arguments over police and the split second decisions to use deadly force. what exactly is the moment of threat doctrine and could it fall? you're watching chris jansing reports only on msn hi, i'm damian clark. i'm here to help you understand how to get the most from medicare. if you're eligible for medicare, it's a good idea to have original medicare. it gives you coverage for doctor office visits and hospital stays. but if you want even more benefits, you can choose a medicare advantage plan like the ones offered at humana. our plans combine original medicare with extra benefits in a single, convenient plan with $0 or low monthly plan premiums. these plans could even include prescription drug coverage with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. and medicare advantage plans ensure that your covered medical costs will never go above a maximum out-of-pocket amount that you know beforehand. most humana medicare advantage plans include dental c

msnbc analyst and former republican congressman david jolly is here, along with julie roginsky, a democraticategist and author of the salty politics newsletter on substack. welcome all. so on. after the court's decision was announced, donald trump said everyone must respect the ruling, but give us a sense of how his position has evolved on this and what now. >> right. and he suggested that he needs time to review the supreme court's decision. of course, he has suggested that he wants to do whatever he can to try to save the app. and he said that just today in a phone call with president xi of china that he, the two men discussed tiktok. and this is a moment where let's be very clear, back in august of 2020, during his first administration, he signed an executive order. donald trump, then president trump, signed an executive order to effectively seek the ban of tiktok in the united states, citing national security concerns and the collection of personal data of more than 150 million americans that use the app. and you fast forward, donald trump's tune has changed really over the last months,

democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party and david jolly joins us, former republican congressman from florida and political contributor. i want to start with media. i mean, to you first. what will coverage of this trump white house look like in the face of donald trump's repeated attempts to intimidate the media? when any journalist, from a big or small organization now at least has a small voice in their head that they could face legal consequences from this administration. how is that going to affect coverage? >> you and i work for media outlets and we understand that there are people responsible for the books and the journalism. obviously there is a relationship between the two and as journalists you want to work for a place that is sustainable but at the end of the day moving into 2025 and having already experienced a donald trump administration, i think the journalists will keep doing journalism and all of us recognize that we are not seen as the apex voice of what is happening in the world and that the media environment has changed in

dawn hallway is here with he long with susan del purseio and also david jolly.ood way to start the new year. when you look at the group, many have been jailed because of their interference to an election and contribution to january 6th, plus a far right prime minister. are these the kind of folks that trump will surround himself with in term two and why can't he let go of 2020? he won 2024. he is going back to the white house. >> to take your questions in reverse, the reason he can't let go of 2020 is they don't think they did anything wrong. i think this inauguration that is coming up represents the culmination of some type of broad exoneration, theoretically if not practically. on january 10th, the new york court will still sentence the president and i think it is important that they do that regardless of the supreme court decision granting immunity and whatever else will come from that. we know the president will not serve jail time or a criminal penalty but it is important that the court run it out to full fruition. is the type of people that the president w

joining me now is former democratic senator doug jones, democrat of alabama, and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. thanks for joining us, doug. let's start with the breaking news from nbc's vaughn hillyard. president trump is planning a more than 50 executive orders on inauguration day. he is reportedly planning to sign several of those orders in front of a crowd at capital one arena tomorrow afternoon. instead of an inaugural parade. among the orders are a change to federal workforce laws or workforce rules, a repeal of biden's era, the biden era green energy funding and a declaration of emergency at the border. how effective do you expect these to be? given what we know about how trump used executive actions in his first term? >> well, you know, there's a couple of things about this. first of all, this is a lot of show. donald trump, you give him credit for being a showman. >> he has said he was going to do these things. >> he's going to make a big splash out of it. people are going to talk about it, and they're going to talk about the sheer numbers 50. it's

. >> david jolly. >> is back. melissa murray on the law. >> this seems black and white. >> how did we get here? >> it's unclear. >> how. >> we got here. we definitely didn't get. >> here by. >> reading or reading the constitution, because if. >> we had read the. >> constitution, we. >> would have seen very. >> clearly that. >> it states unequivocally that those individuals. >> who. >> are born in or. >> naturalized in the. united states and. >> are subject to the jurisdiction. >> thereof, are. >> citizens of the united. >> states and the state. wherein they are born. that's that's the. >> text of the. constitutional amendment. >> and the 14th. >> amendment. >> was passed. >> in. >> the wake. >> of the american. >> civil war for the. >> purpose of repudiating. >> dred. >> scott versus sandford. >> which said. >> that african americans could not be citizens. ever because. >> they were. >> descended from african slaves. it was. >> a rebuke. >> to that. hierarchy of racial supremacy, and it has been affirmed by the su

and former republican congressman david jolly of florida. all right, david, i turn to you first because the wall street journal editorial board published this. i want to have it exactly right. trump pardons the january 6th cop beaters law and orders back the blue. what happened to the gop? any idea? that's the wall street. >> journal, right? right. >> and i think it goes deeper than that. if you listen to donald trump's conversation with sean hannity. >> and sean was trying, he was trying. he was. >> and. >> i think we have to be careful. >> with our words. >> but millions of americans tonight think that donald trump is a demented, unwell, sick person who is dangerous to the constitution, dangerous to the. >> country. >> and. >> should not. >> be president of the united states. and they don't do that out of fear mongering. they do that because in his first administration, he ultimately excited. >> the violent. >> mob to go to the capitol. after leaving office, he misused classified information. in his first 72 hours, he violated the 14th amen

attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general and former republican congressman david jolly of talk about this unconditional charge. i don't know what that means in legal speak, but in mine plain vanilla jersey talk. man, this brother seems to have been hooked up. >> you're exactly right. what it means is what it sounds like. nothing at all. he walks free. on the other hand, merchan makes a big distinction between trump the person and trump the president. so what it means is the very important sort of scarlet letter that the conviction is finalized. you needed sentencing to make that happen. and he enters, as you say, the presidency as the first and only felon, something he fought mightily to try to avoid and he's going to try to appeal from. so even though for him, there are no consequences. and merchan understood that he had to do it that way, or he might have been reversed on appeal. that's one of the things that the supreme court mentioned in letting it go forward. still, the big first top line news, steph, is he becomes a felon. he is the first felon to enter the presidenc

strategies, along with republican strategist susan del percio and former republican congressman david jollyolitical analyst. good to see you guys, especially on this sunday. what a week it has been. little did we know what we'd be dealing with right after we all were together last sunday in terms of california. but let's talk about the senate confirmation hearings. i'm going to start with you, don, as they get underway. pete hegseth is the biggest name on day one. democrats are pushing for enough time for all senators to review fbi background checks, with some republicans backing them up on that, in fact. can the gop get away with trying to rush through this process? >> you know what i'll say about even the most specious of gop nominees for this trump administration is that while 1 or 2 of them may not be confirmed, the trump agenda will certainly be confirmed. >> and after the holiday break and some time off, i think pete hegseth will probably be confirmed, despite the fact that he's probably unqualified. in addition to his ongoing character issues, we have seen no real opposition for the

joining me at the table for today's breaking news coverage, congressman and msnbc david jolly. but we start first with our friend, california resident nbc news jacob in the second hour. we have been watching your coverage and tell me what you are seeing. >> nicolle wallace, you mentioned those wins and they are picking up right now that i have not felt a sense of late last night. just beginning right now and i think you can see on this structure, this is in an area near the bluffs that overlooked the ocean here in pacific palisades. this is nowhere near close to being over. in this direction there are other structures on fire. take a look. we have a house that is just catching fire, as well. everything that we see, this inferno continues to grow. i mentioned to our viewers that this is a neighborhood that i know very well. i was born and raised here in pacific palisades, california. it is unimaginable to see it in this estate. this is a beautiful community of 24,000 people and a coastal community along the pacific ocean. the santa monica mountains will meet the ocean when you t