david cay johnston, faith gay, and susanne craig. well, here we are. >> here we are. it's incredible, that's one of where it started. >> with michael cohen as the person who did the k turningrage to get this. >> yes, and since then it's been an unraveling. really spectacular. we worked on a story that ran in 2008 and look at some of these things and the games they were playing, evaluations go all the way back to his father. that's where it started. then to see it all the way for today, it's remarkable. >> tim o'brien, it is an indication, by the way, it's one of the reasons why i thought donald trump would never run for president. because the level of scrutiny that is possible, and that is likely to occur into his private life and his business life, is something he couldn't survive. as susanne just mentioned, he survived a 2008 look by that new york times at this kind of thing. but when alexandria ocasio- cortez does that kind of thing continue with michael cohen, and that new york attorney general is watching, up in new york, watching that, that's it. you have unlocked a door and there are very powerful forces who will investigate at that. point >> win pay your loris, and