and methamphetamine, joining us now david katz, tammy bruce, and back with us steve cortez.e, you know a lot of people say, "el chapo" exists because of americans, let's not so smug. if not a demand here there would not be a "el chapo." >> there undeny abilia that element could but still in all strategy has to be two fold, you go after production and user, one or the other independently. charles: tammy, war on drugs, i think almost more and more people willing to say it has been a failure. >> to some degree, it is also a treadepredatory dynamickic also. you have others, giving out free drugs, you could argue whether or not it is our fall, our fault is in open border, the abillty for his cartels, to come through even mexican military that goes to corruption of the government. charles: i think dave about 5 or 8 guards have been arrested. we know this is wide, i read where the sinaloa cartel spends up to a billion a year on bribes, this particular break out said to cost $50 million, his organization makes billions are dollars, they have all of the resources, his tunnel of 30 fe